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a few decades ago long hair was associated with the leftists on college campuses, but today that no longer holds true.
I've talked to many long haired Men who espouse center-right views as opposed to left-center who tend to favor short hair more so my question is:
Do you think Long hair is being embraced more by the right now?
Yes there are right wing long hairs
Probably the most famous is Ted Nugent. (Very right wing, all in favor of any war except when it was his turn. Google how he avoided the draft,just don't do it while eating.)
Hey, Jake! I don't think long hair on men can be associated with a particular slice of the political spectrum anymore. (Whereas once it was closely associated with left-wing views...)
I'm personally center-right and I know a few other longhairs who are Republican and/or conservative. (Yes, there are also a handful of non-left celebrities, like Ted Nugent, who also fit the description...) Ever seen a gathering of American Legion bikers? Lots of flowing hair in evidence.
Hope this helps! Keep if growing and flowing...whichever button you push in the voting booth! Nu, a good week to all!
Don
Just a quick follow up to my remarks, and this discussion. Last week I was in Boulder Colorado, known as one of the left-est places in the country - probably just behind Berkeley, California. (Folks elsewhere in the state tend to refer to it as the People's Republic of Boulder, but I digress...) And I saw only a handful of long-haired men in almost a week, this including students at the University of Colorado, whose commencement exercises I had traveled there to witness. (My daughter received her BA.)
Sooo...again, I think that any close connection between long-haired men and left political views that might have once existed, is no longer in evidence. But who needs a political excuse for growing one's hair long? :-)
All the best, Don
Don, thanks for your response.
Could it be that today's conservatives are more liberal on some things(not all) that their parents generation weren't? for example, Rock music was considered "left" of center during the Vietnam war era, but many of todays right leaning folks love it.
also, as someone like myself who tends to consider themselves more libertarian than anything else I think that which was considered liberal during the 1960s and 1970s might be perceived as "conservative" by today's left.
Also todays conservatives are much farther to the right than in previous years. (Ronald Reagan probably would not get elected today as he would be viewed as not conservative enough.)
I also would maintain that todays liberals (the democratic party) are too conservative. (republican lite).
LHIA, you and I are going to have to meet one day and "save the world" over a few beers. It will be fun! That said, I disagree with you on this. I think it's the opposite. And in explaining why, I realize I'm going WAY off topic for this forum...although I guess we already have. :-)
Dennis Prager tells it better than me, plus he had already come of age when JFK was President, whereas I was but a snot-nosed kid. But Prager tells of how he idolized POTUS 35 (JFK) and modeled his political views after those of the man. And in the 1960's he considered himself a 'liberal.' Prager continues by saying that his views today are almost exactly the same as they were back then. But now, someone with that list of views is considered 'conservative,' and can feel at home only in the Republican Party.
Obviously, such labels are subjective and what defines them shifts with time. But those who hold the same kinds of positions that were considered 'liberal' then are considered 'conservative' now. Now regarding Reagan, I'm not sure I agree or disagree with you. But without getting too specific, I'll remind you that many. many Republicans feared a Trump candidacy because "he's no conservative," and yet they rallied behind him (okay, maybe not the Bushes or Kasich) as they considered his brand of "evil" to be less onerous than that of Hillary Clinton.
I imagine that a Ronald Reagan, running against a Hillary Clinton or a Jimmy Carter, would rally the Republicans again.
Jake, perhaps you've hit the nail on the head in that such affectations as long hair on men and rock music are not considered as rebellious as they once were. Perhaps, despite that longhaired men are still a distinct minority, our affectation is less a rebellion against authority than - as Anthony in France has made an articulate case for - a wish to reclaim a more 'civilized' age that has passed us by.
Rock on, brothers!
Don
I would mention that Reagan would never get elected in this
republican party, it's gone much farther right. He broke two of the cardinal rules for the republicans, he 1. raised taxes. and 2. he granted "amnesty" to illegal immigrants. (that second one killed the
candidacy of Kasich and Rubio.)
To bring this back on the topic of hair, Trump ran a campaign
that channeled George Wallace who famously railed often
against long haired men.
LHIA , with all due respect, that was a long time ago and since you were around then you must recall that it was a liberal democrat by the name of LBJ who imitated the Vietnam War Draft so most of the long haired men opposed him and his party at that particular time. how many young men had their gorgeous manes sheared by a military barber at that time. probably hundreds of thousands.
I would say that the 1960s long haired men were probably the first wave libertarians, not liberals or conservatives. they believed in freedom.
I would mention that you should do some research.
There were a number of republicans today who, when it came
time for them to serve in Viet Nam wiggled out of it.
Look up the Chicken Hawk data base.
(check out how Dick Chaney, Rush Limbaugh, etc.
got out of going to Viet Nam.
Also, when you're not eating lunch, look up how Ted Nugent
got out of being drafted.
Do you think Long hair is being embraced more by the right now?
Hey Jake,
I have never been comfortable with the labels right/left, conservative/liberal. These are labels which attempt to pigeon-hole people. One (1) person might hold a position on a particular issue which could be considered the "right wing" position. That same person could hold a position on another issue which could be considered the "left wing" position. So what would this person be, "right wing" or "left wing"?
Nevertheless, to speak to your question: I think more men are embracing long hair. That means that men who hold positions which are considered "right wing". Most men who embrace long hair value and respect the right of men to express themselves freely in how they choose to groom themselves. They respect this right for others and they expect that they will be accorded the same right. Isn't this a libertarian way of thinking?
Your long haired bro,
Raymond
I'm not comfortable with labels.
Personally i'm liberal on social issues but conservative on fiscal issues.
I am also concerned about culture and the limits of what a western country (N. America, Europe and Australia) can accept. We are fundamentally Judeo-Christian with Enlightenment values. I am glad Le Pen didn't win because she would have been nationalist and socialist, not necessarily with the trappings of Nazism and Hitler, but a strong statism and relativising of the person. Such nationalism is not without danger, as the Americans are finding with Mr Trump. I am sceptical about Macron (I wouldn't have voted for him had I been a voter in France) because he seems to represent the interests of billionaires and big business before the people.So, me with long hair? I went along with the 1960's "thing" for a while, but I was only 11 in 1970. I became culturally very "classical" in my musical and other tastes, yet I have the attitudes of life often shared by people with Aspergers syndrome. I am fundamentally a rebel. I decided to stop cutting my hair at the age of 54. If I identify with any collective tendency, it would be with the Romantics of the early 19th century.People might think that I look leftish, and I leave them to think what they want. I do have beliefs and convictions, and am always ready to discuss them, because the finality of politics must be the common good and commonly accepted standards of human rights.That's my two cents in this thread.Anthony
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I am also concerned about culture and the limits of what a western country (N. America, Europe and Australia) can accept. We are fundamentally Judeo-Christian with Enlightenment values. I am glad Le Pen didn't win because she would have been nationalist and socialist, not necessarily with the trappings of Nazism and Hitler, but a strong statism and relativising of the person. Such nationalism is not without danger, as the Americans are finding with Mr Trump. I am sceptical about Macron (I wouldn't have voted for him had I been a voter in France) because he seems to represent the interests of billionaires and big business before the people.So, me with long hair? I went along with the 1960's "thing" for a while, but I was only 11 in 1970. I became culturally very "classical" in my musical and other tastes, yet I have the attitudes of life often shared by people with Aspergers syndrome. I am fundamentally a rebel. I decided to stop cutting my hair at the age of 54. If I identify with any collective tendency, it would be with the Romantics of the early 19th century.People might think that I look leftish, and I leave them to think what they want. I do have beliefs and convictions, and am always ready to discuss them, because the finality of politics must be the common good and commonly accepted standards of human rights.That's my two cents in this thread.Anthony
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I am also concerned about culture and the limits of what a western country (N. America, Europe and Australia) can accept. We are fundamentally Judeo-Christian with Enlightenment values. I am glad Le Pen didn't win because she would have been nationalist and socialist, not necessarily with the trappings of Nazism and Hitler, but a strong statism and relativising of the person. Such nationalism is not without danger, as the Americans are finding with Mr Trump. I am sceptical about Macron (I wouldn't have voted for him had I been a voter in France) because he seems to represent the interests of billionaires and big business before the people.So, me with long hair? I went along with the 1960's "thing" for a while, but I was only 11 in 1970. I became culturally very "classical" in my musical and other tastes, yet I have the attitudes of life often shared by people with Aspergers syndrome. I am fundamentally a rebel. I decided to stop cutting my hair at the age of 54. If I identify with any collective tendency, it would be with the Romantics of the early 19th century.People might think that I look leftish, and I leave them to think what they want. I do have beliefs and convictions, and am always ready to discuss them, because the finality of politics must be the common good and commonly accepted standards of human rights.That's my two cents in this thread.Anthony
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I am also concerned about culture and the limits of what a western country (N. America, Europe and Australia) can accept. We are fundamentally Judeo-Christian with Enlightenment values. I am glad Le Pen didn't win because she would have been nationalist and socialist, not necessarily with the trappings of Nazism and Hitler, but a strong statism and relativising of the person. Such nationalism is not without danger, as the Americans are finding with Mr Trump. I am sceptical about Macron (I wouldn't have voted for him had I been a voter in France) because he seems to represent the interests of billionaires and big business before the people.So, me with long hair? I went along with the 1960's "thing" for a while, but I was only 11 in 1970. I became culturally very "classical" in my musical and other tastes, yet I have the attitudes of life often shared by people with Aspergers syndrome. I am fundamentally a rebel. I decided to stop cutting my hair at the age of 54. If I identify with any collective tendency, it would be with the Romantics of the early 19th century.People might think that I look leftish, and I leave them to think what they want. I do have beliefs and convictions, and am always ready to discuss them, because the finality of politics must be the common good and commonly accepted standards of human rights.That's my two cents in this thread.Anthony
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So, me with long hair? I went along with the 1960's "thing" for a while, but I was only 11 in 1970. I became culturally very "classical" in my musical and other tastes, yet I have the attitudes of life often shared by people with Aspergers syndrome. I am fundamentally a rebel. I decided to stop cutting my hair at the age of 54. If I identify with any collective tendency, it would be with the Romantics of the early 19th century.
People might think that I look leftish, and I leave them to think what they want. I do have beliefs and convictions, and am always ready to discuss them, because the finality of politics must be the common good and commonly accepted standards of human rights.
That's my two cents in this thread.
Anthony
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I am concerned about the rights of workers in a capitalist regime as is that of "champagne socialism" or the newly elected Macron. I would support a regime that would favour small businesses and self-employment, initiative and creativity. In this way, people prepared to do a good day's work would not be penalised, and not only the big corporations would win out. That gives me some socialist characteristics, but also conservative (English) and libertarian.
I am also concerned about culture and the limits of what a western country (N. America, Europe and Australia) can accept. We are fundamentally Judeo-Christian with Enlightenment values. I am glad Le Pen didn't win because she would have been nationalist and socialist, not necessarily with the trappings of Nazism and Hitler, but a strong statism and relativising of the person. Such nationalism is not without danger, as the Americans are finding with Mr Trump. I am sceptical about Macron (I wouldn't have voted for him had I been a voter in France) because he seems to represent the interests of billionaires and big business before the people.
So, me with long hair? I went along with the 1960's "thing" for a while, but I was only 11 in 1970. I became culturally very "classical" in my musical and other tastes, yet I have the attitudes of life often shared by people with Aspergers syndrome. I am fundamentally a rebel. I decided to stop cutting my hair at the age of 54. If I identify with any collective tendency, it would be with the Romantics of the early 19th century.
People might think that I look leftish, and I leave them to think what they want. I do have beliefs and convictions, and am always ready to discuss them, because the finality of politics must be the common good and commonly accepted standards of human rights.
That's my two cents in this thread.
Anthony
I would mention that I was very concerned about the election in France. Russia tried to duplicate what they did in the US of A,
in that they had a massive hack that was dumped at four minutes to midnight. (My understanding is France has a law that makes it illegal to have any election related press after midnight the night before the election.) i also find LePen scary.
I'm glad to hear you decided to stop cutting your hair.
I think that regardless of political views, long hair is deeply rooted in a sense of freedom, a laid back nature, and essentially a more experimental one. It just so happens that often times this type of lifestyle falls in line with the ideology of Liberals, although that is changing rather quickly in recent years. As we see progression in terms of gender equality and the preconceived moulds of masculine and feminine are reshaped, more and more men are accepting long hair. So while I'd say that the majority of Longhairs originated from the far left, they are making their way further right along the spectrum.
I used to be somewhere around the centre right, as a young man, but have drifted further and further to the left as I have got older. I think that there have always been lots of guys whose hair length and politics had nothing to do with eachother. OTOH, a lot of the younger longhairs do seem to be libertarians.
I think it is being taken more and more by the far right. I think this has something to do with the fact that long hair is often part of counterculture and we're now (thankfully) at a point in history where the right's racism, sexism, and greed are the minority instead of the majority and so by definition they have a bigger claim to counterculture than at any other point in our recent history. And those who like counterculture for the sake of counterculture are flocking that way because they think that being a minority in and of itself makes them cool.
Having said that, I feel as though the fact that I'm very very left of center and live in the reddest part of a blue state is necessary information to put my views into context.
