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Slacker, i remember you telling me that beeswax takes one heck of an effort before it loses it's effect. While that's all well and (very) good, you also said you have to use soap to get it out of your hair? Did you mean shampoo, or do you actually have to use bars of soap?!
Shampoo is just fine, thats what I use. I got some gentle pantene moisturing shampoo + conditioner, 2 in 1, if I dont use much wax then I can almost completely get rid of the wax with 2-3 good, thorough washings where I use like a quarter sized amount and massage for 10 or 15 seconds before rinsing. Using a rinse out conditioner afetr that will get rid of even more. Not that I would ever want to remove it all. It helps so much, even in diluted amounts. If you use bar soap or a harsher clarifying shampoo it would get it out faster. I never use it without shampooing over it once (unless I'm putting it in dry hair for big spikes) because thats the best way to evenly distribute it.
You shampoo over it before you use it?! How strong is this stuff?! Is it too strong to just use it in the same way you would with normal gel?
What I mean by that is I get in the shower, wet my hair, use some wax and brush it through in the shower. Then i shampoo it, apply rinse out conditioner that I leave in, brush it, and usually put on a hat until it dries, to keep the wave from coming back in my bangs
The dryer your hair is, period, the stronger the wax will be. This is why for the maximum hold, harsh soap is used on dry hair before wax, to dry the hair out (huge mohawks). Moisture weakens the hold. Wet with water, conditioner, and im assuming gel, either over or under the wax, will weaken the hold. The difference between wetting the hair over, versus under, the wax is hard to explain. I weaken it on purpose when I don't want spikey hair. However, moisture doesnt weaken the strength and softening effects.
Do you gel your hair wet, damp, or dry? And how long is it? On dry hair, wax will make it VERY spikey and seperated, provided you dont twist it or pinch it into sections, and will easily hold all day+, it will still be the same on the parts you didn't sleep on in the morning if you don't shower at night. You probably wont like how it looks if you brush it. The moister the hair, the less seperation there will be, but it will still be spikier than gel. You will be able to brush the hair very smooth if it is moist and it will look good. Unless the hair is straight or you will be brushing or hand stlying it back, or burshing it forward, you need to wear a (winter, if the back and sides aren't short) hat while it drys if you want it straight at the ends. That is, unless your hair is short, or not very wavy.
This Beeswax is like a medium strength pomade. Murray's pomade is MUCH stronger, I think too strong for a lot of things. I have some but haven't gotten to use it much yet. I do know that it is stickier and harder to remove than beeswax. Its rather difficult to remove from the hands, too. Beeswax will come off your hands with any hand soap, bar soap, or shampoo with 1 washing. I use beeswax because it is weaker and easier to water down. I plan on trying weaker pomades, too, maybe theres something I will like better. You can test the strength by touching it. Murray's is hard, wax is a lot softer.