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I am sick and tired of people posting on here that either they A. Want to grow their hair long but their parents won't let them. Or B. that they grew their hair long but now cut it.
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Now when I started growing my hair 6 months from a buzz cut in november of 2003, cutting it was never even a option. I would sooner die than cut it. Bottom line people if you cut your hair, don't tell us about it, just leave. You were probally not meant to be a long hair.
Every year the vast majority of these posts on here are the same stuff. This board is less of a longhair board, than a wannabe longhair board.
To the true longhair cheers. To the wannabe's and shorthairs listen up and keep your mouth shut. To the failures and the cutee's don't post.
Same here
Any particular reason for the hostility towards everyone who doesn't match your vision of longhair and the board?
I've often wanted to say that, and I totally agree. It's your own fault if you do something you regret like dying/cutting it, and whining on here and expecting sympathy isn't going to make it come back.
First of all, it's always nice to see you post here again, Kenneth... it's been a long time! BUT, do you have to start a "we" vs. "them" thread like this? You forget that some of us die-hard longhairs at one time made the mistake of cutting our own hair off once, too (me, for example, back in Y2K). We are all human. Everyone who comes here has at least SOME interest in growing and/or keeping their hair long. I could also complain about the # of times I've had to read shampoo questions on this board, or the same old questions about split ends, or what in the world the "awkward stage" means... But newcomers arrive here all the time, --- so, have a little patience with your fellow-man, bro!!
YES, it's TRUE that it can be annoying to see someone post about how they just decided to cut off all their beautiful long hair, --- especially if they think we **REALLY** want to see a pic of their new shaved-head look (barf, puke, heave, sob...)!!!! But, even then... just click on the next thread, dear Kenneth, just click on the next thread....
- Ken (the Urban Cowboy one)
I agree. I don't wanna be a hypocrite, as I did cut my hair off in Febrary, but I regret it so much. I had to learn the hard way that I'm a long hair at heart.
- Chris PhoeniX -
I think it's good that people can change their hair whenever they want, long or short.
It's up to the person. Just because someone has shorter hair doesn't make them the enemy.
I'm in that same "Cut & Regret" club, so I understand that having long hair may be a struggle with outside pressures and your own self doubts. It's not easy for all of us!
So lets heed Ken, the Urban Cowboy's wise words.
Bruce
Kenneth dude! You're awesome!
You've got a comprehensive webpage at "My Long Hair Journey, A Man's Quest for Long Hair", so, kudos go to you. But, dude! Whether or not it's the pressure from the foetidness of classist jobs or the (subconscious) need to experience the trials and tribulations of sheering one's tresses and then the consequent endurance of reclaiming that magnificence that is our natural right to render long locks to the world and in our personal lives, some of us have made that (poorly thought out) self-inflicted insurrection of chopping off our hair due to WHATEVS! I, too, did just that, total baldness, twenty years ago, due to wanting to "fit in" with a largely black job environment, in which, after having done so, I was met with the greeting, "Yo! You an honorary niggah now!" Recall this is pre-Imus. So, it seemed to make sense then. But it didn't. It was nonsensical. Kenneth, sometimes we have lapses of judgement. This includes having made bad choices. I had made a bad choice. It was two decades ago, and, as the Gods are my witnesses, I won't be making that choice again. Don't be so "down" on those of us who have, for whatever reason, reeead largely economical, have had to make that decision. I had done so. I personally will never make that mistake again. That is all. Thank you for this opportunity for having expressed my(s)elf. I hope it will help to put things in perspective. Long hair rules.
NE CEDE MALIS!
(Yield not unto adversity!)
Quenyan
Hi Quenyan,
It's always great to read your interesting e-mails.
That's one of the nice things about this board, it's that you can see who is posting via an Avatar pic and it's only 3KB. So for people that use dial-up it's not much to download. However you have bigger pictures posted in each message it does take longer to download. Not everyone has high speed internet connection and I'm only thinking of people that have dial-up internet accounts.
Regards,
John.
Yeah, I'd agree with John here. Included photos should have some relevance to the post in question, and the same photo should not be shown repeatedly. I'd say the same thing about "sigs" that are longer than three or four words. We don't tell the same jokes over and over to the same people out of consideration for sparing them the boredom. Ditto for repeating other material. And for those with dialup, abstaining from reruns spares them from not just the boredom but also the waiting.
A short sig and/or your avatar can add a personal touch to one's posts without overdoing it. That's what most users do.
Bill
Yeah . . .
Thanks, Prof. Choisser. I'm a loud and clear kinda guy.
I'm on the (considerably) backwards mode of dial-up.
Package deals? Boy howdy! But, duuudes! Which one?
I will now make coffee. As I told U.K. Metal John there
is research now in that says it makes your hair grow better
and faster. We shall see, won't we. Best regards . . .
NE CEDE MALIS!
(Yield NOT unto adversity!)
Quenyan
Dude, Quenyan, I like your style man! You really crack me up in a good way.
May elven blessings be upon you!
Jason
BTW, I'm a big fan of coffee as well. Peace...
Jason and the Argonauts Jason,
I always appreciate what your input is. The wife says that I oughta do stand-up. I wonder if one Jonalbear was listening to Bill and/or John. Whadaya think? More research is needed. Ug! I'll be right on it. You're excellent, bro. G'day.
NE CEDE MALIS!
(Yield NOT unto adversity!)
Quenyan
You know, Quenyan. You remind me of Tom Bombadil at times. So, I tip my hat to you and say "elen sila lumenna omentielvo" and hope I spelled everything right.
~Antesse
Dear charismatic Catholic friend,
Whoa, my brother Antesse, you're awesome, as we in the UN-united States Northeast say. Often. Have you clicked on my thumbnail "avatar" yet? You'll be immediately transported to an amazingly original hidden realm. Go there. You have nothing to lose. I wish that there were more longhairs here like you, son.
NE CEDE MALIS!
(Yield NOT unto adversity!)
Quenyan
Have clicked. Have not completely explored yet....looks like some pages still need updating. Somehow around where I attend school, people have a misconception that I understand and speak fluent Quenya and Sindarin. I just know how to use the tengwar and tehtar quite well and people like my own style of "calligraphy" with the tengwar. But basically, I have been labeled the Tolkien/Elvish nut around here. But then again, the road goes "ever, ever on".
Yes, yes, indeed it does,
Excellent. Speaking of nuts, there's a guy named Ned Sulley. Wait. Or is it Gulley? I KNOW it izzint Kelley. Well, he's a Tengwar and Sindarin specialist. He'll even translate one's name for one for a cool twenty bucks. Check THAT out. Also, he's a polymath. Very creepily intelligent. Weirdly enough, his son's autistic. Cosmic scales? Oops, it's after the thirteenth hour. That means that "Coast to Coast A.M." is on, speaking of nuts. Gotta go now . . . You rock, man, you rock.
NE CEDE MALIS!
(Yield NOT unto adversity!)
Quenyan
Thank you Prof. Besson,
I hear you loud and clear. You, too, Prof. Choisser.
I, too, am on the (now) antiquated mode of dial-up.
I'm going to make some coffee now. I hear that it accelerates
one's hair growth (grin) . . .
NE CEDE MALIS!
(Yield NOT unto adversity!)
Quenyan
Totally agree...
I do not agree with you...
Look, there are certainly more people here in the process of growing long hair than having long hair already, but what then? This is a MALE long hair forum and I think it's natural that some guys end up by cutting their hair sooner or later and want to regorw them.
I speak for myself: I've been trough a lot of descrimination, I mean, my mom still doesn't believe I'm not a homossexual, and I do feel it takes a lot to handle this things: but I would NEVER in the world cut my hair because it's too important!
Now, not every male long hair has to see his hair as one of the most importand thing and acomplishment or his life (as I do). So I think it is natural that many people give in to society's visions. It's a shame but it happens every day.
I do believe those people need us to suport them and encourage them not to pay atention to the nasty society we live in and do their own thing, as to grow their hair... It may be tireing to always be telling the same thing, day by day... But more than a hair group, we should be a suport group. I would neer kick anyone out because of a regreted haircut. I'd raised my hand and say "Good luck! Now start all over and don't do this again".
I don't know what you oased to grow you hair, but I think everyone deserves to grow theirs... sooner or later, or after a million trials. I have been successfull at my first try and will never c cut my hair, it's have to fall on it's own if it is what nature has to give me. But there are people who will only reach long hair on the second or third time...
And you have lots of hair gurus here that also cutted their hairs someday and grew them out again...
Sorry, but I think you were a little rude to some of the board users... =(
Ummm...Shut your mouth.
Everyone has a right to post here.
Whether it's to grow their hair to their feet or to get a new style.
Why don't you just stop posting crap like this lol.
He is merely expressing his opinion thats all !
Axel
By telling people they should stop posting here because of a personal decision? I challenge anyone to define a "true" longhair. What makes one? There are just some people who hold a greater value for long hair, and while I may be one of them, I don't act all high and mighty about it.
No not at all Emmerich thats not what I am refering to !
Sorry. I shouldn't have said anything. I'm just a semphathetic person by nature, and it urks me when I see something like that. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Kenneth
Certainly one can understand your frustration and that's what it is really, however I disagree. For a lot of people there is nobody to talk to out there who's supportive and can relate to the issues they are dealing with. As well people do things they regret wheather it's cutting their hair or something else. My desire is to see these people find us and talk to us and hopefully find the motivation to grow it successfully.
So all you wannabe's and people who cut it but really didn't want to I say BRING IT ON!!! And remember just because someome gets frustrated or words their post or reply in a way that may offend doesn't mean they aren't cool or reasonable.
Kevin
Well, this makes me feel glad I wasn't a member last May when I got my hair cut after trying to grow it out. If I had been met with that kind of response, I probably wouldn't have stuck around. Then there's also the case of members posting questions such as "Where's so-and-so... he had great hair. What happened to him?"
Bottom line, if you don't like someone's post, ignore it and move on. People make mistakes, and there's no need to roast them over hot coals when they do.
Apologies if I come across as a wise-ass, but that's how I feel on the topic. =)
-James
I get what you mean and some of it is true but there are painintheass users who keep and keep cutting their hair there and it's annoying besides they make up a lot of resons to cut their hair like my hair is thinning(yeah right you've got a full head of hair man!!!) or I've always wanted to try this style(well that's just boring, couldn't you've made a better excuse?)... James I'm not talking about you. You're ok even I did take a haircut after the first time i tried to grow it out...
I can see some frustration with that. I'll admit, it does get a little annoying to see people make posts like that, but I think Kenneth's post went a little over the edge, that's all. No worries, Vytautas. =)
-James
Sure, we get the same questions over and over on here, but they are not repeats because they are not from the same people. Each man is deserving of just as much support as the ones who came before him.
And as for hair talk, what the hell are we supposed to say once we reach terminal? That wow, my hair this morning looked just like it did yesterday and last Christmas?
Newcomers are the ones who need support and we are here to see that they get it. Newcomers are also the lifeblood of any organization. The old timers who mainly talk about longhair culture on here often didn't walk in here that way. Many arrived as timid dudes who were first coming to grips with the reality that deep inside they are longhairs. With support they will let their hair grow, and it will grow by itself. We are here to provide that support, and to celebrate the unique beings we become once we are longhairs. BOTH.
Bill
What he said!
Nah! "Didn't wash on schedule, so hair is subprime"..."Got back on washing schedule, hair refusing to look as good as it should"..."washed too many times, length is dry"..."forgot to wash for 10 days, edging into otter in an oilslick." OMG so exciting. That and commentary like "I get more compliments when my hair is up from men with apparently conservative backgrounds when when it is down." Or howling about the fact of no growth.
Absolutely. I just don't have enough time to do that here as I do elsewhere.
Amen.
Kenneth, I totally know where you're coming from. Sometimes when we're already at the point where we've got long hair it's easy to forget what it was like in the beginning. Back in early 2004, when I was in the beginning stages of growing my hair out, I got a VERY cold welcoming from a regular member who had really long hair (although I haven't seem on here in ages). For almost a year, I didn't even come to this website. Finally one day I checked it and saw he wasn't posting, so I started coming back (and still do on a sporadic basis). Good thing I didn't give up on growing my hair either! I just stuck it out for the first year on my own.
In your defense, I sometimes roll my eyes every time I see a post on such things as:
- "my hair has these annoying flips HELP!!!"
- "I've always wanted to grow my hair long"
- "I just shaved my head - how long will it take to get to shoulder length?"
- "My parents won't let me grow my hair"
- "I have to go for job interviews so should I cut my hair?"
- etc...
BUT... unless something really catches my attention, I usually just skip over that thread and go on to the next one. It would be nice if we had one of those forums where there are different categories. We could have a "long hair lounge" for members who are at or beyond shoulder length to discuss issues that only other men with shoulder length or longer hair could relate to. There could be a "clubhouse" section for general hair questions and maybe a few others. But, I know the format of this forum has been a hotly debated issue over the years, so we'll save that for another time! ;)
Until then, us "veteran" long hairs (some more "veteran" than others!) can skip over the less interesting threads. As we can see, this is an opinion that is very subjective. I think some members really enjoy those threads, others don't, and some are neither here nor there. Sorry for such a long reply but I didn't have time to write a shorter one.
Hi there,
I do understand where you are coming from and there are two sides to every story. As I've seen over the years that I have been posting to this community, we've seen people cut their hair for the wrong reasons or something happens in their life etc. But alot of them have kept in touch and with the support of this community started to grow their hair out.
I know I've not been posting that much on the board for the past few months. But it's been nice to know that there has been some wonderful support from this community that has certainly helped me through the medical issue I have been suffering with.
Cheers,
John.
My dear Briton long-haired friend John,
I, too, concur with thee. This is one of the BEST hyperboards
on the information superhighway. We are here, essentially, to support one another in our unwaveringness to be a guy who has long hair. But, pray tell, what "medical issue" are you speaking of? Graying hair? Are you kidding? Stay strong. Stay long-haired.
NE CEDE MALIS!
(Yield NOT unto adversity!)
Quenyan
Sorry if I'm being rude but i think thats really selfish....have some compassion for other people and their needs :)
Thank you Mr. MushroomCult,
There are, indeeeeed, insensitive blokes lurking around here. Why, I was recently lambasted by someone, too. Motherfucker. Say, ya ever been to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Gordon_Wasson
. . . I love that guy. He was amazing. Too bad nobody's evah hoid of him. Weird. Whatevah . . .
NE CEDE MALIS!
(Yield NOT unto adversity!)
Quenyan
Kenneth was expecting the reaction he got... It was an honest mistake. I don't think he meant to hurt anyone - more like thinking aloud. And if he did meant to offend so many people, then I guess he really is an insensitive guy! ;)
But, some things are perhaps better left unsaid. I just skip over any threads that are repetitive and/or don't appeal to me, but obviously do to others since there are often a ton of replies.
Peace.
- Peter
I must say Mr. Peter73 . . .
Your webpage on the information superhighway is impressive. Unlike you, and my wife, and SO MANY of us walking around people, I have quite the converse dilemma: I can't gain. What abt us peops who need to eat six times per day in order to maintain body weight ratio? Best regards, bro. Your hair's awesome.
NE CEDE MALIS!
(Yield NOT unto adversity!)
Quenyan
I wish we could trade or combine our dilemmas then! ;)
Thanks for the kind words about my hair! I get somewhat self-conscious about it sometimes.
I know, I know, I know. Wife's two hundred. I'm one forty something. Fuckin' genetics and shit. Fuck. Yeah, let's trade, dude, I'm willing! Celiac sprue anyone? Whatevs!
NE CEDE MALIS!
(Yield NOT unto adversity!)
Quenyan
Hey young brother MushroomCult,
I totally, totally concur with you.
ALSO, read the writings, if inclined you are, of
one scholarly mushroom cultist the R. Gordon Wasson.
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. Then the good folk at http://tribe.net will take ye to the appropriate tribes.
I'm still a lurker there. But, rest assured, I will
eventually be a force to be reckoned with.
Best regards. You're doin' the right thing, son.
NE CEDE MALIS!
(Yield NOT unto adversity!)
Quenyan
I can understand your frustrations although considering the manner in which you've chosen to express them, it's hardly surprising to see the backlash you've gotten.
It's much the same with doling out advice solicited toward other expressed goals- but what's lacking is the resolve to follow through. I can very much relate to this... I've been pumped for information concerning diet and working out by people who ultimately prove unwilling to put forth the effort to get themselves in shape and this is a bit analogous with hair growth... once the awkward stage is reached, or someone (family, girlfriend) expresses disapproval and the journey is abruptly abandoned... all the advice and encouragement becomes wasted energy. It's a bit like my detailing a diet and workout regimen for someone who says they want to get in shape... and a week later, I see them smoking a cigarette and eating junk. Everyone wants a quick, easy fix... like I should do all the physical work and Mr. Lazy wants to reap the benefits... like in hair growth, it doesn't work that way.
The fashion pendulum has swung a bit in our favor, so it's natural to see more bandwagon jumpers, but time will inevitably weed out the fair weather friends. If we seek to be accepted by people in general and have employment and education rights then we need to extend the same consideration for those who might not be in it for the long haul. In matters of diet and exercise I have an polite albeit abbreviated response: "the best program is the one you can stick with." A variation of that attitude can be applied to the so-called "wannabe's" in dealing with social and hair frustrations. We can't grow their hair for them... while advice can be offered, becoming a longhair is usually a solitary journey.
Our hair growth journeys can help develop character... like cultivating personal restraint in the face of insults and styling advice aimed at getting our hair shorter. The best response is none at all. The same wisdom can be applied here relating to those who might be destined to jump off the bandwagon at the slightest provocation. Respond as you will to the posts seeking advice because for every question posted, there are likely a dozen others with the same question. Venting frustration at those lacking the resolve to follow through accomplishes nothing beyong igniting divisions in a community intended to be a support mechanism. Expressing intolerance will drive away the people we are supposed to encourage and support.
I for one appreciate the exclusivity of this brotherhood... and it's not us who exclude others- they exclude themselves by not being in it for the long run.
A bit blunt with the words but I understand where you are coming from. after all it is the Men's Long Hair Hyperboard!
If you wanna be a long hair then dont cut your hair its as simple as that
Hello,
I have been one of the cut'ees. I cut my hair after 1 year of growth because everyday (literally every day) at least one family member and/or co worker would tell me "God Daniel, you look horrible with long hair, you should cut it, you look much better with short hair." or "you look ugly like that, cut your hair, you look better with short hair". After a year of this, I cut it, I couldn't stand being told how ugly I was every day, so to make my friends, family and co workers happy with me, I cut it. I cried while the stylist cut my hair. It was months before I decided to grow it again. True I didn't come here asking for sympathy after I cut it, but some people do need sympathy and support. They may have cut their hair because they weren't getting support and/or were being put down by their nearest and dearest about trying to become a longhair. If friends and family won't support you, where else can you turn? Up until your thread, I'm sure a lot of people felt they could turn here for that support. If you are frustrated at reading these posts, then don't read them. It's like saying you can't stand the smell of chinese food and then walk into a chinese restaurant. If something bothers you so much and you know it happens in one specific area, avoid that area. No offense buddy, but who are you to try and force people to conform to your narrow point of view?
Well, people growing their hair are fine, after all this board is really good in showing people that they are not alone in wanting to be 'different'.
What is annoying is seeing many posts like 'i am being forced/i have been forced to cut my hair'
No, noone forced you. You chose yourself, i doubt most employers would sack you/parents abandon/etc over your hair alone. Please stop asking for sympathy for what is your own chosen weakness.
Might sound kind of drastic but if you do not like the MLHH, then go start your own website for "true longhairs". It seems like most of us, the moderators and owners of the site included, are fine with the selection of users and comments that appear. Perhaps a little bugged by repeated newbie questions and bugged by repeated whinings by recent cutters. But, they keep coming back....and so if you do not like it, start your own website and make whatever requirements you wish for users and comments.
I'm not targeting veteran members who may have gone through this themselves. We all go through this. To me it is an affront to our community to see new people, like new within the last month or two come on here, show us their hair and than like 2 weeks later they cut it all off. And then post the bald pictures on the board.
If I wanted to see that I would have gone to the buzz board, or youtube.
You have a point here, Kenneth. And I personally hate hate HATE the shaved head look myself, --- *especially* if this immediately follows the end of someone's beautiful long hair journey... makes me want to send back a pic of some vomit, just to show them how i REALLY feel about their stupid new shaved head look...
However.... That is not how you first presented your original thread here. Being careful with how you word things in the first place can make a big difference in who and how many you might offend. I have to be very careful myself, because by nature, I tend to have a lot of sarcasm in my humor. I think I have occasionally offended people in the past when I didn't really mean to insult them or be unfriendly. Just think twice before you post, is all I'm saying. Words are powerful tools in communicating, and carefully reading your own words back to yourself before you press that "SEND" button can make a big diffenrence between something you'll feel 100% comfortable with later, or deeply regret once you fully realize how negative your message might have come across to others.
- Ken in San Francisco
Guys share their pictures as a way to get to know them when they start out. When someone cuts their hair it makes sense for them to give an update to the community they have been welcomed into and are a part of. I think photos shared for both reasons speak to the interest people have in this board and the people they have met rather than a lack of respect for it.
In the end if they wanted the haircut they are better off for having it too. Since it seems to bother you though, I'm wondering if you are feeling some indecision about your hair. How long is it these days, Kenneth?
Elizabeth
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Oh well Kenneth
I myself dont fall under any of the for mentioned points posted above but in defence of them what do want help, support and advice in growing there hair long but cant because there parents wishes them not to or they have grown it for so long then cut it all of what do you wish them to posted about I do understand your points you are making but alot of guys dont have parents who dont or wont allow there sons to grow there hair long I know from my own parents because mine wouldnt let me do that when was at school my mum use to cut my hair short it was only a basic short back n sides but it was bad enough though !
Axel
n/t
Hey
Rob
He isnt No Troll he is a member here merely expressing his opinions on what he thinks, Nothing wrong in that!
Axel
Please check out my website. You will see that I am no troll. I have been a member here since 2004. I use to post regularily on here until I moved out of my parent's house.
So be it. This Hyperboard is now about unicorns, vampires, vampire slayers, and possessed marionettes. Today's topics of discussion are:
Our biggest issue ever! 694 pages, including twenty-seven written by a 92 year old clown, sixteen by a mentally unstable centaur who invented a carrot that tastes like milk, and one by a disgruntled zombie named Dan!
1. Unico: Kawaii, or super-kawaii?
2. Vampires: How to tell them apart from your average goth.
3. Feng Shui advice with Juste Belmont, interior decorator and "legendary" Vampire Hunter.
4. Are unwanted possessed marionettes killing all the guests in your castle? How to tell whether they're using blades or lasers, see pg. 47.
There we go. Brand new subjects to rattle your brain.
LMAO!!
Very creative/random. The only thing that it's missing is the berries and cream Starburst guy :-)
Super, no question. Of course, once you get to vampires and vampire hunters you are back on topic again. Come to think of it, unicorns are kinda hairy too.
Elizabeth
Hi Kenneth, wow, why dont u say what you mean fella. I am one of the "wannabes" but while i agree we should listen, i dont think we should have to shut our mouths. Its true there are a lot of posts from shorter haired guys like myself , but we are here because we want long hair, are interested in long hair, and getting a bit of advice and encouragement from longhairs, is a big help on our quest !
Im sure you didnt expect these replys, but remember this qoute IT IS GOOD TO HAVE A JOURNEY TO END TOWARDS ,BUT IT IS THE JOURNEY THAT MATTERS IN THE END. All the best , Jonny H
I agree with you in general. I don't mind people who cut their hair short again who stick around and are trying to grow it back. It just bothers me when they post a thread with 8 pictures of their short hair everyday, talking about how much growth they see. Some of the weird off topic stuff is annoying as well. There is a difference between dignified off topic threads and inane crap.