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"1. Male Employees. Male employees are expected to wear a shirt and tie with dress slacks. In areas where shirts, ties, and dress slacks are not appropriate for the work environment, the division chair or director reporting directly to a vice president, and in consultation with that vice president, will determine satisfactory attire, including the wearing of uniforms where appropriate. Extreme or immodest clothing styles are unacceptable. These include such styles as tight-fitting trousers and shirts unbuttoned below the collar button. Jeans are not appropriate professional attire.
Beards are not acceptable. Mustaches are not encouraged, but if worn, should not extend beyond or below the corners of the mouth. Long or bushy sideburns are not acceptable. Men's hair styles should be clean, neat, and trim. Hair that covers part of the ear is not encouraged. Hair must, in any case, be cut and styled so that it leaves the major portion of the ear uncovered and visible. Hair must be above the collar in the back. Earrings and other body piercing are not acceptable. Shoes should be worn in all public campus areas. "
http://www.byui.edu/Employment/honorcode.htm
these guys are really stuck in the dark ages. this is the 21st century and they are enforcing militiary haircuts on men!
Yep.
I find it strange how Piercings, tattoos and also long hair has found it's way into the ''common'' and ''bad'' section.
These things are part of the human race, why they are being suppressed as bad things is beyond me. It is a mindset that needs to be wiped out for sure.
Hahahahaaa. It's not better for women, either. But here is a real gem. Check out their Honor Code for STUDENTS!!!
http://www.byui.edu/honorcode/4g.html
"Dress & Grooming Standards–Men
Campus Attire and Appearance:
Inappropriate
Beards (no 5 o’clock shadow)
Bib overalls (all styles)
Caps may not be worn in class
Earrings and all other body piercing
Grubby attire
Hair: no ponytails or pigtails, braids, designs, carvings, complete shaving, or extreme styles or unnatural color, or tipping
Headbands or bandannas
Patched, faded, frayed, torn, or tight, formfitting clothing
Shorts of any length
Sweat suits or PE-type clothing
Suggestive or vulgar wording or pictures on apparel
Tank tops
Flip-flops"
Lots of stuff missing here. Nothing about armpit hair, back hair, tattoos, or fingernails! I guess all that is too awful for the BYU dinosaurs to even contemplate.
This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm absolutely speechless to think in the year 2007 we are still being so sexist. Makes me very glad that in Canada there are no laws against this type of thing, or at least I am not aware of it.
-animosity
What. The Hell.
So creativity and personal expression is condemned. What a wonderfully "free" society, indeed.
But aside from all that, which I could go on about for way too long, this code is written horribly vaguely. It's just begging for mutiny. For example, what constitutes "grubby" attire? My "grubby" could be far different from your "grubby." The same is true for where they say that can be no "designs" or "extreme styles" for hair - they fail to realize that people have vastly different concepts of what can be considered "extreme." And if we're to prevent people from getting "designs" in their hair, I suppose we should outlaw haircuts altogether, since all haircuts form a sort of "design." But, lo and behold, if we outlaw haircuts, we either need to have long hair (which, ironically, isn't specifically banned; they'll allow loose hair but not tied-back hair. Very neat and clean-cut of them, indeed) or shaved heads, but, oh my, shaved heads are banned. So, I guess long hair IS in - just as long as it's not tied back.
Now, they say we can't wear "faded" clothing, so once our clothes start to fade in the wash, we can no longer wear them. I guess we'll need to spend a lot on new clothing; maybe we should just throw the washing machines away entirely and buy new clothes each times our current ones get dirty, lest they get (gasp) FADED! And what's this about not wearing form-fitting clothing? Does that mean we can't wear vests or tank tops or close-fitting T-shirts? Are parachute pants the only answer? It seems this code endorses mainstream hip-hop clothing, but not the braids and faded pants associated with the style. Interesting.
One can't wear "shorts of any length," either. Therefore, if my shorts are actually long capri pants that reach my ankles, like old-school pants, they're unacceptable.
Apparently this dress code loves its people being hot and bothered....
Long hair worn loose would not violate this code!
That page is a prime example of why a webmaster should not split material up onto separate pages unless the material has become so unweildly long that it is difficult for a reader to manage otherwise.
Bill
What also gets to me is that in the UK on the news, there have been things about people being turned away from jobs because they smoke. And they are complaining and getting their way....but smoking IS a bad thing..having long hair or a beard isnt.
If a woman wears her hair long it is by HER choice. if she wears it short it is by HER choice
Men don't have that choice very often
Yeah i find that strange, how women can have really short hair(Which i think looks terrible) and nothing is said.
I agree with what you say but whats so bad about smoking?
I mean they take notice about employers not employing smokers(dirty, smelly, bad habit etc) But not employers who don't employ people with long hair.
Smoking is a bad thing and yes it should be a factor to whether you get a job, but hair length shouldn't.
Hi Fred,
Indeed this is more prevelant than you think. I recently interviewed at a chain of supermarkets called Festival Foods located mostly in Wisconsin and Minnesota. The interview went well almost an hour, I have 23 years in this buisness 16 of those supervisory experience. At the end came the dress code and it was amusing how they danced around it gingerly until they had to ask would I consider cutting and shaving the goutee. Yhe answer after two seconds of thought was a polite no, then I thanked them for their time and walked out.
I could do just about any job in their store with virtually no training and with a spring in my step and my head up I walked away believing they are hating this more than I am. :)
On the flipside of this it's rumored this chain my buy the store I currently work in from the parent company in maybe two or three years so I guess I better start thinking of a backup plan for later on.
Kevin C
Look on the bright side: Wal-Mart will come into the food
business and put every one else out of busness.
I've always found dress codes unevenly used.....
for example men must have short hair, but women can
have long hair, men can't wear jeans, women can wear jeans,
men have to wear a tie but women don't.
I've noticed in recent years the dress code at local
food stores has been relaxed alot. Jeans are allowed
where they were prohibited before, long hair is
allowed where it wasn't before. This apparently is
in leiu of higher wages.
Publix is based in Lakeland Florida and Florida is WAAY behind in acceptance of Men with long hair.
If you disagree with Publix here is contact info:
Publix Super Markets, Inc. (OTC: PUSH) 3300 Publix Corporate Pkwy.
Lakeland, FL 33811 (Map)Phone: 863-688-1188
Fax: 863-284-5532
http://www.publix.com
I don't see anything here that prohibits wearing the hair in a bun.
(The CEO must have a male ear fetish).
Why is America so backward in its employment laws? In the UK whilst certain professions may adopt standards bu custom which ca be restrictive rules on male hair would not stand a legal challenge unless some strong reason could be shown why it is essential and also that women are required to follow it.
I am sure certain unscrupulous employers may use other excuses to get rid of long hairs but care would be needed.
Now someone will demonstrate that a major UK employer is trying it on.
To be clear, this is Brigham Young University, not Publix Supermarkets located in southeast U.S.A.
Bruce
they have the same dress code for the most part.
if anyone of you are within doubt I urge you to contact Publix directly.
Publix Super Markets, Inc. (OTC: PUSH) 3300 Publix Corporate Pkwy.
Lakeland, FL 33811 (Map)Phone: 863-688-1188
Fax: 863-284-5532
http://www.publix.com
Thanks for the info Fred but I think I'll save myself some money and not make a call over the pond let alone a flight to Florida.
Cheers,
John.B
What is the purpose of this "Publix situation"? Do you have a grudge against them or something? You provided a dress code that doesn't even pertain to Publix in the first place. Aside from that, You are posting under different names! Try sticking to ONE.
Dude ,
you do realize other people can use the same computer?
Hey, post a pic of the three of you. That'll shut 'em up!
Cool to have three MLHH users together!
Bill
I can explain the prejudice people have against longhairs. It's stupid yet understandable. However, what the hell is wrong with a normal moustache or a simple goatee? It's not like their average recruit will have a beard going below his chest! This is ridiculous. If their shops were in Belgium I would officially boycot them :P
Well don't apply to work there and it's easy as that.
John.B
That sucks. All I can say is...Whole Foods. okay sort of kidding since WF isn't everywhere. But I think as others said before about whole foods, most supermarkets are okay with long hair. I was in one here yesterday and a guy was working there with hair down between mid-back and waist. A while back someone posted that Albertson's was anti-hair also.
As has been mentioned, this is not the global Publix policy. For example, I worked at a Publix briefly during high school (and set a store record for shortest employment time...yeah, I wasn't exactly a model employee). One of the baggers had hair down past his waist (some of the best looking hair I've ever seen). He was allowed to work there as long as he kept it covered while working (ie, tight braid and tucked under his hat). My hair was below the collar, and I was never told it violated any policies and never had to keep it hidden like the bagger.
James Harrison, Ph.D.
Psychologist
12 Westridge Drive
Asheville, N. C. 28803-3329
(828) 650–0484
e-mail: jbhphd@bellsouth.net
June 27, 2007
P)ublix Markets
Human Resources Department
3300 Publix Corporate Pkwy.
Lakeland, FL 33811
Dear Former Friends,
It has just come to my attention that you discriminate in your employment practices against men who wear long hair and earrings.
This is stupid beyond words.
Is not the criterion for employment reliability, cleanliness, politeness, intelligence, innovativeness and honesty?
I live In North Carolina. I have always considered Publix a slight cut above our premium chain, which has the ridiculous title of HARRIS TEETER, and when I have visited relatives in upstate SC, I have often visited your stores, and wish you extended your operations in to North Carolina.
But never again. I want nothing from the world of Anita Bush and Jeff Bryant. (Sic). I assure you until I hear that you have repudiated this policy I will never shop at your stores again, and will strongly send this message to my family members who live in Leesburg, including a lawyer, physicians, builders, and a president of a community college board.
Wake up. Join the future. Or go down with Winn Dixie, another stupid name for a once good supermarket chain.
Sincerely,
James Harrison
I'll wait till the urban myth dust settles. What is Publix's policy? If they discriminate, I'll go after them. But do they?
I found this on another site dated June 3/07:
At Publix- Mustaches can be no lower than the corner of the mouth. Beards and goatees are not allowed.- Female hair must be clean and neat with no fad cuts or coloring. Hair that is long enough to touch the shoulders must be tied back.- Facial piercing isn't allowed.- Males are not to wear earrings.- Employees cannot conceal fad or extraordinary jewelry with bandages or tape.
- Mustaches can be no lower than the corner of the mouth. Beards and goatees are not allowed.
- Female hair must be clean and neat with no fad cuts or coloring. Hair that is long enough to touch the shoulders must be tied back.
- Facial piercing isn't allowed.
- Males are not to wear earrings.
- Employees cannot conceal fad or extraordinary jewelry with bandages or tape.
Going for that uniform look