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Funny one this, when I am on here my kids and wife wander over and say "oh he's on that long hair website again" with a slight smile and a tut! LOL obviuosly they really like my hair but I think they find it odd that I chat to other men about my hair LOL! and well the guys at work - sheesh I wouldn't tell them, its not a dirty secret but its . . you know funny I guess LOL!!
Its a great place, but somehow many wouldn't / don't get it.
cheers Dave
same goes for me, if only they knew how helpful this board is maybe they wouldn't find it so strange
I have scanned most of the posts having to do with what our families think of our viewing the MLHH site, and have a few comments which I do not presume to be exhaustive nor comprehensive.
First, Don't we all deserve a bit of privacy?
Second, I am gay, and I fully understand why any of you would not wish to be perceived as gay. Personally I prefer the word "homosexual," but as a person I cannot be reduced to one word. It simply means that I have a stronger erotic response to men than I do to women, in general. However, "gay" people experience a lot of BS projected onto them that has nothing to do with their reality, and furthermore they are also often subjected to violence, verbal and physical, even in the land of the free and the home of the brave. I have never understood why anyone who considered themselves Christian would want to beat up a queer for Christ, but nevertheless, it happens. This of course is due to the teaching of Christian leaders who think Sponge Bob Square Pants, or whatever his name is, is homosexual.
In my view,it is the suppression of honest knowledge about sexuality that leads to all sorts of sexual violence. The human body is considered obscene by Christian fundamentalists.
Third, as many have observed, most "gay" men prefer short hair.
Fourth, human beings come basically in two forms, with .001% exception, namely male and female; able to impregnate and able to bear young. No other sexual difference can be dichotomized, but all other sexual differences lie on a continuum. The range of qualities within each sex is greater than the mean difference on that same quality between the sexes. Both men and women have 22 pairs of chromosomes with similar function plus one pair in which women have and x and men a y., not that a y, is an x with a missing leg, so what makes a man is a bit of missing information which prevents him from becoming a woman. But this fractional missing information is all that differentiates a man from a woman.
Fifth, Nevertheless, in spite of the overall similarity between men and women, not opposite sexes, but complementary sexes, every culture has developed ways of elaborating sex differences. Think about it. There is some advantage in being able to tell a man from a woman at a distance. However, every culture does this differently.
Sixth, All of us now alive have grown up in a culture which has used hair length as one of those differentiating symbols, due to the determination of the military to eliminate head lice during WW I. Not so if we had lived in the 18th. C. in Colonial US or Europe, or in many other cultures, including contemporary Tibet. So there is no question that men growing their hair long today is an example of gender non-conformity. Similarly with bi-lateral earrings, though most men wear studs or small loops, and not fancy dangling devices, when they express their gender non-conformity in this manner.
Seventh, and this is a guess. I think most men wish to escape the prison of gender conformity in some ways. And what would we think of a culture in which gender conformity was required with capitol punishment for any exception? Can men cook. Can men sew? In the USSR, of recent memory, women were standard operators of giant cranes because "they had a more delicate touch."
Eighth, Narcissism? A complicated concept. In my view there is not enough of it, if it means the wish to present oneself in the most attractive manner for the pleasure of oneself, one's partner, and the public in general. Narcissism is pathological only when a person considers himself the center of the universe, is selfish, and expects everyone else to conform to his desire.
Ninth, Fetishes? This term, taken from anthropological research. meaning the attribution of magical properties to an inanimate ob ject, but has a different meaning in psycho-sexual jargon. Humans have big brains, and we symbolize sexuality. Would it not be ideal if we were able to connect soul to soul, without any interference of accidental traits? I do not know. But I do know that we symbolize sexuality. Some men prefer blonds, some tubbies, etc. etc. etc. It is tragic when a person has not matured himself, and therefore cannot find sexual gratification with another mature person, and seeks gratification with someone incapable of giving informed consent. [Again, I attribute such perversions, and I limit the word perversion exactly to this use, to the disinformation of sexually repressive, most often, religious teaching which assures that people will stay immature]
Otherwise, so called fetishes, are the symbolic turbo-chargers of sexual arousal and are totally healthy, whether it is growing or cutting hair, wearing clothes usually attributed to the other sex, enjoyment of leather clothing, or even boots, or...your imaginations are better than mine, as long as it is not contrary to physical health and as long as partners are in mutual informed adult consent.
In conclusion, as long as homosexuality is misunderstood and stigmatized, then it will be a prison which limits the freedom of heterosexual men. Homosexuality is a minority status, which has exactly the same moral relevancy as left handedness, and about the same frequency in the population. Left handed and homosexual murderers should be imprisoned for life, but left handed and homosexual "Samaritans." a Biblical term which to be understood accurately would have to be translated with the "N" word, are surely in a majority.
It might appear that the Great Evolutionator in the Sky thought it would be a good idea to throw in a good bit of diversity in the one species of humanity, various colors, various hair textures, various handedness, and various capacities for erotic arousal, to maximize the survival of our species. What would the world be like if it were impossible for two people of the same sex to be erotically aroused by each other and to deeply love each other. Would you want to live in that world? And what would it be like if by law every man had to have short hair and wear a dress, and every woman had to have long hair and wear pants?
This document does not claim infalibility.
It carries no Nihil Obstat,
It carries no imprimatur,
It welcomes constructive criticism.
When I read this tomorrow, I will surely wish I had been clearer, but I am too tired to proof it, so I will give you, my friends on the MLHH board the first chance.
Cal.
Hi Dave,
I agree people simply don't understand and so they conjure up weird ideas. My mate Ray has longhair and even he thinks it's a bit odd in his opinion. I decided not to bother explaining except to say it's a social club of sorts with a common theme being we're all longhairs, aspiring longhairs, and or a few supporters of longhairs. It's funny as he and I were on a site called Dognuts I don't know if you've heard of it a few mlhh users were there as well, so you would think he would get it, oh well.
All in all I usually don't tell people simply because I don't have the energy to try and explain it in detail. Although I have told some people and thought we might get a new member or two but haven't seen them on here.
Kevin
My partner knows I hang around here posting and chatting, she probably thought it was odd in the beginning but now pretty much sees it as normal now. She is not one for forums or chat groups of any kind so I don't think she has any concept or misconceptions about it either. It is just "that hair group" thing lol.
I still think this place is a bit odd myself even knowing all about it :) I can see how it would be easy to misconstrue this place as a gay site where all we do is ogle each other's hair (and other things). It is strange for a guy to comment on another guy's appearance. This goes against everything that society dictates about how men behave with each other. This is evident by all the posts where people say that they are uncomfortable commenting about a longhair's mane in real life because they don't know how it will be received.
To be honest I believe that one reason (at least for me) that I might not tell everyone about this site is that I am sure that this site would be perceived as gay and as such I would pretty much be considered gay too. Now this may get me into trouble here but I don't want to be perceived as gay when I am not. I think the gay issue is a factor in not telling people about this. Anybody have an opinion on this?
Also a site devoted to something as odd as long hair (which in the grand scheme I think it is) may seem a little fetishistic as well. Maybe we don't want to come across as kinky or crazy. Ironically the very people we try to keep out of here may be what the rest of the public thinks live here.
What do you all think?
Great topic Dave
I think in almost exactly the same was as you Chris about this site, in fact i haven't told anyone about this site and i don't feel like it's really necessary, people would probably start thinking i'm odd or something, not that i really care about what other people think of me but anyway, this is most certainly an interesting and inspirational community:)
Simon
DITTO...
I think it's true that men don't generally go around complimenting each other on their looks. I think there's often a difference though in the type of adjectives used by men here. I don't refer to another guy's hair as being sexy or gorgeous. When I compliment a woman on her hair I do sometimes use those words.
It's very similar to how guys into bodybuilding might acknowledge another guy's physique. Straight guys in that situation know they're not being hit on if another guy says they have nice biceps.
I do disagree with you in your assessment that long hair is strange. I think it depends on what lens a person is seeing the world through. My paradigm is that it's short hair that's strange. Especially if a guy has thick hair, I simply don't understand why he'd want short hair. I think it's only natural that guys who want long hair for whatever reason would congregate.
I understand what you're saying about the gay connotation. I once had a straight friend ask me if I'm a little bit gay when I once remarked that a guy had nice hair. I'm secure in my sexuality. If he wants to think that I really couldn't care less. The only time it would bother me is if a woman I liked didn't show interest in me because she mistakenly thought I was gay. I have no problem talking to gay men about long hair unless it crosses over into an advance or them somehow thinking they're going to turn me gay. *rolls eyes* This happily only happens very rarely.
Actually to me long hair isn't that strange (though it is not very common here) but the idea of a website devoted to long hair (not the hair itself) is odd to me. Even though I care for this place as much as anyone I would be blind not to realize how the world would see it.
Considering how many guys do have long hair in the world and how few of us regulars there really are, I think that says something about wanting long hair as an individual and wanting to talk about it with others. Now I like to encourage all of us here when updates are posted but I will be the first to admit that talking about hair is boring for me! Heresy but I admit to it :) Often the off topic or the meta topic posts (like this one about the psychology of longhair) are the best ones for me. The chat room here is my favorite part of the place primarily because we don't talk about hair so much.
Why do so few of us longhairs come here when most longhairs don't (or at least don't participate since we don't know who might be lurking. I come for the social aspects, not for hair advice. I still think a site devoted to such a narrow and obscure (to me anyway) focus is a little odd. Sort of like a website devoted to people who wear blue shirts, the world probably goes WTF! Even knowing what I know about this place I cannot entirely blame them. The post about the CRACKED odd websites and ice chewing comes to mind.
Ok, I thought you were saying it's the long hair itself that is strange.
You make a good point about the membership here. In fact I think I started a thread about it once. There are millions of guys worldwide with long hair and internet access but our membership is only a few hundred. That always puzzled me a bit. Of course I freely admit I'm hair and specifically long hair obsessed so I'm a bit strange. LOL! Still, I'd think more guys with long hair would show more interest in the site.
Interesting, the Long Hair Community has a membership of almost 13,000 but 90% are women. Considering that there are way more female longhairs than male longhairs, this higher membership isn't surprising. It could match the ratio quite closely I'd imagine.
AFAIK only about 2 or 3 % of guys have long hair (and that includes those who are really only mid length), but more like 1/3 of women have actual long hair, 1/3 mid length and 1/3 short. I've stood silently counting people on the street, LOL! This kind of suggests that women's hair length is randomly distributed whilst guy's is oddly skewed towards short.
What this is leading to is that I've noticed that the women on LHC often (although not always) have extreme definitions of long hair that nobody would agree with in RL. I'd guess that they are actually an even lower percentage of long haired women compared to us on the male side, provided you take a sensible definition (e.g. below shoulders) and I think this is because long hair on a woman may not be as unusual as they think it is.
One reason for our low representation of long haired men in soceity, and our statistically high number of gay men, is that straight men are not usually that interested in hair, whatever length hair they have.
My kids think long hair boards are weird, BTW!
Sites that require registration can't be compared to a site like this one that doesn't. Many if not all of the lurkers find it necessary to register on mandatory-registration sites. Also, many such sites don't purge the registration list so it grows with each passing year while the site's actual usage does not.
Our main page is visited by about 1800 people a day. The site gets posted to about 150 times, and quite a few of those posts are made by people who post more than once. Our directory tends to vary from 200 people right after a purge to 300 right before. We purge around the first of the year. Right now it has 269 people. Not all who post are in our directory of course.
If we required all visitors to register and never purged the list, we'd have several thousand members by now. No, we'd have a few thousand. Why? Because registration is a turnoff, and we don't want to turn off people from posting just so we can brag about having a bigger list of members.
Bill
Well said Bill as speaking for myself I was honored to register and put up an avatar that I wanted all to see as this is me and I'm proud of my hair!It took many pics for me to finally decide which one would be used to repesent me and Gollan even gave me thumbs up when I submitted it to him when that was his job here.Who knows how many unknown lurkers are amongst us:) Mark
Hi Chris...
Interesting thoughts. -and topic for that matter..
What really amazed me was how great this place is and how for me, at first, it was just like any other site.. but once I started lurking regularly I began to see all the regular people posting here; it became a desire to check the posts.. and eventually join myself.
Also, I can only speak for myself.. but, I couldn't care less about what people think of me or my appearance either one. If I see a guy with long hair and it looks good ... I tell him.. For me; like my lengthening locks; I don't mind breaking society's male stereotype on behavior as well.. obviously to a certain limit of course .. but I am going to be me. I guess what it all boils down to is that everyone here has a degree of comfort and they should live within that comfort zone.. just my opinion of course. Just as you say you have a problem with people perceiving you as a gay man ... that goes out of your comfort zone.
I personally don't care if people think that about me... I know I have a gorgeous wife and a beautiful set of kiddos to match and am no way attracted to a man.. that's all that matters; what I know as truth for me.. Again..the comfort zone thing.
Finally; you may be right ... a long hair site may be a little on the fetish side of things .... but then again.. I think that falls into one's own persepctive of it. I love my lengthening hair .. but would I cut it if my family's livelihood depended upon it? Absolutely! But; what if my church told me to cut it? (Which they wouldn't btw) Absolutely Not! But .. thats just me. For others; they feel much more passionate about it..
In any case; great subject and fun to talk about..
Take care Chris ... see you in chat sometime soon.
Tristan
Wait, commenting on each other's appearance? You mean like the whole fashion industry? So, when a male store clerk at a trendy store says you'd look good in their overpriced merchandise, he is then...gay? When someone looks through a magazine and thinks that [insert celebrity]'s suit looks good, the reader is...gay? And while we are at it, the model/celebrity, having shown his style and appearance to a lot of men, is then...gay?
In case you are wondering, I do not quite agree with those saying that commenting about other people's hair of the same sex is something that is "gay". So, us commenting about each other's hair is really not that far from commenting about suits or ties or shoes or tie-dyes.
Well first off Dave did ask us what we (and others) though about us visiting here. I assumed you knew that my opinion is just that, my opinion. I wasn't saying it was true for you. When I grew up the worst thing you could say about another boy was to call him a faggot. That was the ultimate insult and as you might expect most boys would go to any lengths to avoid having that term thrown at them. You could say that people changed their behavior and were more conscious of it because of the serious ramifications of getting the faggot tag assigned whether it was true or not.
So after a lifetime of learning what is considered proper male behavior (ie don't say anything that might be construed as girly or gay) is it such a stretch to consider that I might feel a bit of the old habits returning? It was certainly unusual to say the least when I came here first, for the reason I stated above. I spoke the truth of how I felt about possible reactions to this site from others.
I will admit that when I first came to this site I had the stereotype that one gets about gay men from the media (or at least as it was portrayed in the 70s when I grew up!). The way of talking acting and dressing were usually played up as it was the media after all. Now I didn't know anybody who was gay at the time either so I had nothing to offset that image. So here I was with all these stereotyped ideas and then I come here and cannot tell the difference between straight and gay unless the other person says so. So I got to adjust my image of what another person being gay means to me. The differences I would have expected weren't there, nothing unusual about them as I had been taught.
Now someone else's being gay to me is irrelevant as whether they are left handed or not with me being right handed. BUT here's the thing, my upbringing has not vanished so completely that I would be happy and comfortable if people I assumed I was gay while I was not. I know this skirts the realm of semihypocritical, because if someone made the assumption I was left handed it would not trip any alarms or whatever it is that keeps most guy's behavior in line. I would not want anyone assuming that I was gay. To quote Popeye "I yam what I yam" and I doubt that my old instincts on this will change. I hope this doesn't offend any of our gay users that I think its ok for you to be gay but I certainly wouldn't want to be thought of that way. It is a real feeling, possibly shared by others of my age or older (I am 44). I think telling the truth on this is more important than pretending I don't think this. Of course being quiet about this whole topic would have been an option, but can you guys imagine me missing out on posting to such a great topic (and one which I have thought of myself).
Now on to the reply to Antesse's post. I really know about as much of the fashion industry as a... well I wanted a great metaphor to describe my astounding ignorance of said industry but it is lacking :)
I don't know where you shop for clothes but at the malls where I shop even the trendiest ones the sales staff pretty much leave you alone unless you ask for help. I cannot remember the last time I have had a clerk tell me I looked good in something. Must be the best places aren't in malls. I will admit to hating suits and not buying any in decades so maybe that is where the praise flies free lol. Even then I would not assume the clerk was gay if he told me I looked good in the clothes because I wouldn't believe him any more than I would believe the person at a fast food chain really cares if "I have fries with my order". Both are spouting company lines in my opinion and will say what they have to or will make a sale.
I have no experience with looking at celebrity's clothing and thinking it looks good bad or otherwise. Several people here have something called "face blindness" including myself, where they have trouble distinguishing or remembering faces. I believe I have "clothing blindness", I literally don't really "see" what someone is wearing so that if someone were to ask me what the person I was just talking to a moment before I couldn't tell them. Clothing just doesn't stand out in my mind as that important. So I don't look at clothing catalogs at all or respond in any way really to ads for clothes or even to seeing different people on the street. So I cannot judge what they think of themselves. I imagine it is similar to the way I see hair here, as something that can enhance a person's appearance.
As for the model showing his styles, the proper perspective (in my interpretation of the analogy) is that I would be insinuating that the people watching were gay. It is the viewing of men more than the posing that I was getting at. The model would just be a plain narcissist :)
The real point of all this was that I don't care what others (models clerks etc) do or say but that I don't want to be perceived as gay. To be honest I never thought about any of the ideas you brought up. You are quite correct that there is no difference between hair and suits, etc. I would think a website showing lots of guys in suits would be weird too (provided they weren't selling the suits!
Great conversation though Antesse, this stuff I dig, can you tell? lol
Like menatplay.com :-)
Hi Dave, hope your doing good dude.
Well you are bang on mate, my wife thinks its wierd,that i want to post updates, and contribute to others that are growing their hair, and as for my nineteen year old daughter, she thinks im a member of some sort of narcistic club, and i think she would prefer her dad to grow old gracefully, and have a good old fashioned crew cut like i had for over 30 years.Also dude, i have found when i have told a few mates that have seen me with longer hair, they cant get their heads round a 46 year old wanting long hair.Only we know what support can be gained from this site, im coming up to a year , and i know there is no way i would have perservered with this awkward stage if it were not for the guys and a few gals giving there time and advice to newbies like myself, and of course the good humoured banter that can be found as well.
Good topic Dave, one that i have pondered myself. Now get ready for my dose of narcissism coming up in about a week. lol. Cheers mate ,Jonny H
A few of us are older than you, you know! Mind you, I've had long hair for decades.
I haven't told my wife about this place because I don't think she would understand. She still doesn't get why I want to keep long hair so I think the idea that I participate here would seem weird to her. I don't think it's weird and I wish more people would be more open minded about places like this, hair, and life in general.
Bruce
I've received the same response from my family about the site.
Personally I think we ARE a little odd. But, I'm happy about that. I'm a non-conformist.
I have told some friends who are growing their hair, about the site. I think a they are lurking and just reading. (Steve and Jessie I'm talking about you . . . you jerks! ;) ) They should really get off their duffs and participate.
Hey Dave..
Great post. Whenever I'm on mlhh everyone in my house looks at me like a goat lookin at a new gate.. quite puzzled!
They just don't understand what we're about I guess.. LOL
Take care ...
Tristan
My family does not know but many of my friends do. I've tried to recruit and advertise. And I've also found that mention of the site derails longhair naysayers:
"Why do you want long hair"
"I don't know. I just do. By the way, I post to this great website for guys with long hair."
"Oh, okay..."
"Yeah, I'm a moderator."
"Oh, okay. We'll be over there. In the corner, hiding."
(not an actual conversation)
Hello Everyone,
When I explain what the site is about to people I know, some find it sort of funny, and yet I am respected for my choice of keeping my hair long, by family and coworkers.
Sometimes I explain people the site, in a tongue-in-cheek manner, that this is where longhairs exchange "beauty tips", talk about existential issues, like what career paths are more favorable to long hair acceptance.
Having a light-hearted explaination helps.
Never have I been labeled "narcistic", stuck in the (sixties or seventies), etc by coworkers or family.
Montreal, has a good number of longhairs per capita, and therefore, hair length is not considered a major issue for fitting in.
Have a nice day,
Georges
Yeah, I do feel a little funny accessing MLHH around my family and when my room-mate's around. It's not that I'm ashamed about visiting here. It's just that some people would find it overly bizarre and creepy, I guess. Most of my family knows I visit here. My brothers think it's creepy but love my long hair, my mom's indifferent about me visiting here, and the friends that know I go here think it's hilarious. But whatever.
So this is very interesting, many feel it is odd, many feel they can't tell their family (!), some may feel they will get hit on by gay men. I knew this was going to be interesting, I know when I first discovered MLHH I was 'curious' and for a while it felt odd, but actually the sincerity of almost everyone here shone through so brightly that now I see it as an extended family.
And i reckon there is loads of lurkers out there that don't speak.
Now, if only the world could work like that.
My g/f thinks MLHH is a gay site. So I explained to her that, while there are gay guys on here, there is a whole separate site for gay longhair men.
ya she didn't believe me.
She's not wrong: we *are* a pretty happy bunch of fellows!
My partner runs a site similar to this one for men who like boots, so he knows better than to cast a stone my way for being involved here.
This site is really nothing more than a MySpace or FaceBook with an emphasis on longhaired men, and lots of people post to such sites. Because we are a minority, if we want to have our own space not overwhelmed by the distractions of others, we have to carve it out with a place like this. There is nothing more to it than that.
As for "who is drawn to it", my thoughts are that they are primarily men who did not get support for growing their long hair that was at an appropriate level considering their interest in growing it. To my eye, it is a personality flaw in one's family or friends that drives one to a site like this, not a flaw in the longhair. Most longhairs in the world don't come to a place like this because they get appropriate treatment from those around them in their everyday lives.
The deficient support can be a failure to get compliments, a failure to get hair care information, a failure to get support against discrimination, or a failure to get an appropriate number of friends or girlfriends. The deficiencies may lie in the particular individuals who happen to surround the longhair, or the deficiencies may be in the society in which the longhair happens to live.
Asking how those who surround you feel about your visiting a support site is not going to elicit an answer which would represent the response of society as a whole, because you are probably among the minority who visit a support site because those who surround you are "part of the problem" and are in a minority when it comes to who a longhair's friends, family, and other associates are.
Bill
There are probably a lot of people who do come here to get support for their choice to grow out. Not everybody though, I have not ever had any resistance or problems with my choice to grow out. I found this place in my search for "long hair" and "men" because at the time I had no idea about it or how it was done. I didn't know it was as simple as avoiding stylists for years :)
But I came here and was ensnared because the people here were so nice and I liked the idea of getting to know people with similar interests. I think you sell your own work short Bill, some people may come from places where they are "abused" about their hair but some like me come from curiosity and stay for the company!
I hope that I am not the only one who can see this place as more than a refuge from attack :) It's just something to do!
I too find it awkward to throw compliments out to other guys about their hair. I have complimented women about the same for a long time. My issue is not the inherent attitude I get from others about visiting this site as much as it is the overcoming of my own inhibitions to do so and comment.
As Chris says, I come here looking for far more than hair topics. I enjoy the interaction with others. I am also an active member of the LHC, and participate regularly in the many varied topics there.
I'm not too worried about someone thinking that this is or isn't a gay board. I have other associates that are gay; as long as they understand that I am not and do not want to be approached as such we are fine. Same for this board, and the others I visit.
My kids know about and have seen this board. I see no reason to hide it.
George
I still feel uncomfortable looking at the site while my partner is around, and we have been together for 10 years! I still don't think he gets the whole long hair thing. He's always had very short hair.
Seriously? I would get a few quizzical or strange looks and comments/whispers of 'fag hag' (because of the ever persistent but false stereotype that man with longhair + 'gay'), or else 'fetishist' because it is somehow abnormal for a female to post in a predominantly male oriented website forum devoted to growing longhair. I'm a counter-culture person surrounded by establishment drones. I've always been the family eccentric, I'll continue to wear that badge proudly. Non-conformist deep to my inner core.
Carol
Alright Dave,
I have to admit I've got a feeling my folks think this site is a bit wierd. I just explain to them all that "this is the internet we are talking about, it could get a lot more wierd". They seem to have mainly the same reaction to the site as your wife and kids.
My mum like the shirts in the shoppe though!
Neil
Hey Dave, I get that reaction too sometimes...you can just tell by a person's eye movement or a slight pause...whatever, but you can tell when someone thinks it's just a little..."off" to be chatting with other guys and a few gals about hair... Personally I think that many people (including lots of women) think it's not a male thing to do...talking about hair.
Bravo for you that you are SECURE IN YOURSELF that you can derive motivation and comraderie from a longhair group. It's really a simple concept really...people usually like discussing commonalities amongst themselves and this includes a myriad of things physical, emotional, opinions...whatever...plus add to the fact that we've all invested so much time and effort in achieving something that means alot to us. Good for us that we have a support group like this one! And good for you for your superb progress! Keep it going!
Cheers to you,
Max
Thanks Max! Good on you too!!