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Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. I posted a picture in my intro, but that was not really a "hair" picture, it was one I took for my website.
I thought I should take a picture of what I am not going to cut now. (kinda fuzzy, good camera is on the blink)That is short hair me in the wedding pictures on the wall, 14 years ago. I got married in Jamaica on the beach barefooted, what a ball that island is.
My hair is normally more wavy, but I had it restrained last night when it was wet.
I spent a good part of last evening reading the links here on hair and hair care. Thanks for taking the time. I learned some things.
My problem is sawdust in my hair and frequent washing. I am going to leave my hair tucked into my t-shirt from now on when I work. I always keep in in a pony tail with several soft hair ties. (That is a necessity when running power tools, I would hate to get it caught in the lathe)
I will check in here now and again to see what is new. Until then I have hair to grow.
Hi again, Daren,
I am delighted that you posted more pictures of your fabulous mane, you are blessed with incredibly thick, wavy hair taht is not far from your waist. I was wondering how long you have been growing it, if you do not mind me asking? You should be at waist length in less than a year, and that is a dream of mine, but I don't know if I can get there. (I am 54)
Keep it growing,
David
I was wondering how long you have been growing it, if you do not mind me asking?
I said 3 years in my intro, then got thinking. It was actually 3 years Sept., so 3 years and 3 months. But I started from this (attached picture of a shorthair me). I kept my head nearly shaved for almost 15 years. The fuzzy new picture does not show my gray, it is mostly in my sides and bangs and they are hanging in front of me in the picture of my back. (That was not all my hair for volume, just a length picture)Plus the light is bad, and the camera I used stinks.
I am proud of my gray, good thing, I am getting more every day. The last picture is a little deceiving, about 1/2 my hair is over my shoulder and on my chest, that is the gray stuff. I still keep my beard short, and only have it in the winter months, it is mostly white. I will be white headed by 50 (?).
And I hope my hair keeps growing at the rate is is, I too think it will be waist length in a year or so. I guess I don't know in inched how long my hair is, but I am 6'3" tall, so once it gets to my waist that would make it almost 3' I guess.
Hey Daren!
Your hair looks fabulous and has grown a lot for 3 years of growth! I also like the grey a lot and I compliment you on accpeting it... it looks very beautyfull!
Also, your hair is already at your waist. Many people consider the waist mark to be where the belt sits. Nowadays, people don't buy pants that fir in the waist, but yes more on the hips. Your waist sits in the same line as your elbows and generally is in the shortest part of your torso.
That said, if you look and the pictures, your hair falls almost to the exact same line where your elbows are, which means, you are at waist lenght my friend =D
Your hair is lovely so keep it growing!!
Women use that designation because they are often thinnest there, and also because they have varying styles, some of which are belted way up there. Men generally refer to their waist as where their belt is when wearing pants cinched in the usual place. The two reasons women have that drive making that distinction don't exist in men. Men are usually about the same diameter throughout the torso area, and men seldom find pants that cinch up that high.
About a year ago this came up and someone with women in mind said one's narrowest point is the waist. One beefy dude said his "waist" was at his armpits then!
Daren is using the term "waist" in the manner that most American men use the term. On a man it is the same place that his belt is.
If you look at old photos from the 1950s, men wore their pants much higher than they have since then. No man wears his pants there now unless he wants to look like a fool. The term "waist" as used by men, has slid down the body along with the belt line. There is no "narrow point" anywhere on many men to anchor the term elsewhere. No matter where I cinch my belt, I can grab my pants and pull them down and clear off, i.e., down to my ankles. This is not the case with ordinarily shaped women.
Bill
Being a fashion design student and having drawing lessons (nudes included) I've been aware that the definition of waist can vary a lot. Still, my teachers always told me that the waist is in the same zone where the elbows sit.
As for pants, about a decade ago people would wear pants (man and women) in the elbow line. Nowadays that style is only commonly used by women and I've seen it in a lot of older man too.
I do know tough, that in LHC people call waist to the elbow line and here the waist in in the same line than the belt. To me it seems more correct to be the narrowest part of the torso tough, as in portuguese we call it "cintura" which means "cinged", so it calls to something smaller than the rest. I do have this line in my body where I can put my hands on and see clearly that it's a much much thiner zone, and fortunatly my hair is almost there (so called waist lenght for me).
Even tough everyone's body is really diferent, and so many people wouldn't have this thinner part in their torso (as to some larger women or some men) we can still point it out to the elbow zone as being waist, as I learned in the nude model drawing class.
Oh well, it's relevant... =P Daren has great hair anyways hehe
Terminology in the fashion design industry may not agree with what the general public uses. Men, in the United States at least, call where their belt is "their waist".
The change happened here in the U.S. between forty and fifty years ago. You can trust me on this; I am old enough to remember it.
That is because the LHC is primarily a women's site and MLHH is primarily a men's site, of course. MOST men who post here have never heard of LHC, nor do they design clothes or draw pictures of nudes. They come here using the terms that men in general society use. That is why we use the usual men's terms here. We don't use terms like "classic length" because we are too dainty to use the word "butt" either. Men just say their hair is down to their butt. No one outside of the longhaired women's circles has any idea what "classic length" is.
Nuances in languages can vary, of course, and that is what we are dealing with here, in this case nuances in English. I have a rather large English to Spanish dictionary and it has a few words for "waist". It does not delve into their nuances. The situation with Portuguese could be similar.
All men will have a narrower point, of course, if they are grossly underweight. [grin] Men of average or greater girth generally do not. On the other hand, you will see huge women with a narrower point on them. I've seen them so heavy that the city bus tilts when they board. Can you say, "childbearing hips"?
Most American men do not draw nude pictures. They just put their pants on, and they know where their waist is. Daren knows his hair is not there yet, and that is all the poor guy was saying. We don't want to be "correcting" people who have not made mistakes, and using words the way the general public uses them is not a mistake.
Yes, he does! And he also packs a chainsaw, so we should be gentle with him. [wink]
Bill
I did not know I was going to start a debate about semantics, gender and foreign language. Jeez, I just posted a picture of my hair I thought that was what I was supposed to do ;)
To me "waist length" means a horizontal line across my back at the top of my pelvic bone.
Evidentially everyones definition of waste length is different. That is mine, and once my hair grows that long I will call it "waist length".
Can't we all agree on one thing, I have cool hair ? :)
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Semantics matters on here on that topic simply because for a lot of people on here, "length matters". But we will surely all agree that you have great hair!
People have various ways to describe and measure length on here, and you'll see them discussed if you stick around. Some women even measure their hair length in a different way than most men do. And of course we see centimeters as well as inches.
Does length matter that much for me? Not really. Any man with hair falling on his shoulders is to me "a longhair", and that's good enough. My ambivalence about length below the shoulderblades is probably a majority one among longhaired men in general, but it may not be such among the men on this board.
Bill
We sure can. Very cool hair indeed!
As Bill said, most guys don't have a clue where their waist is because they don't have a waist!
The waist is strictly defined to be the narrowest part of the torso. I'm thin, and I do have a waist.
I consider hair to be long when it has reached waist length (using this definition). Some guys here have reached waist length probably without realizing it!
Ed
Ditto. Nice hair for sure.
Ed
Ed, I just gotta hijack this thread and say that your hair is just stunning. Great picture, great hair.
Carol
Interesting. To me elbow point is what I call "mid-back." Being a jeans wearer my waist point is lower.
as bill wrote, the higher waist point was where men wore dress slacks because they ususally were out of shape and had these big pot bellies they had to cover to keep their pants from falling down. If you wear your belt up over your navel now you'll look like you're 80 years old. Any higher and you'll look like the late String Bean, of Grand Ole Opry fame.
I tend to agree, the waist is about where your elbows
are when your arms hang STRAIGHT down. Mine are not quite
straight down in this image. I marked it as well as
my beltline too. I also found that for me a waist length
ponytail is about 30% of my height. For most people it
would be closer to 1/3, since I have a short torso and
long legs. I have the torso of a 5'6" man and the legs
of a 6 foot man.
The image clearly shows that my hair is about 1.8 times
waist length by using the true definition of where the
waist is located.
Scott
Hi Daren,
I have to say that you are one lucky guy in the hair growing department! I have been growing since April 2004, or 5 months longer than yourself, and my hair was a lot longer than yours when you started, and mine STILL not reached mid back. Obviously, you have GREAT hair growing genes in your family!
Keep it growing,
David
Your ponytail needs to be about 1/3 of your height
to reach your waist. 75"/3 = 25". It can vary depending on
leg length to torso length ratio. Probably 90% of the male
population would fall into the range of 30% to 36% of
height. 30% would be for disproportionately long legs
and 36% for a disproportionately long torso.
Scott