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Sorry to have brought this subject up but it has been bugging me for days. I have been hearing that life on Earth as we know it, will be destroyed in 2012. Apparently the ancient mayans had a calendar that predicted 2012 would be our doomsday. Has anyone heard of this before or believe that its true?
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Thanks for letting us know Tom, I was not going to trim, but I might just treat myself now.
~ Dave
Hi Tom,
Thanks for bring that to our attention and I had no idea!
Still I wonder what bearing it will have on the other great event that will envelope London in 2012! Just think thousands of people on an old broken tube system and of course there will be no signal failures! I nevered want to go to Straford anyway!
Cheers,
John.B
Hahahaha, yes John, suffering the Olympics and all that goes with it must be worse than the apocalypse.
I just hope it's not as bad as the Y2K end of the world!
Imagine this: It was 4:45 pm on Friday. The Mayan Calendar Committee was getting tired, making mistakes and getting irritable with each other, and looking forward to the weekend. Someone said, "Screw it, this is centuries in the future. We've hit a good stopping point, let's go get a beer and reconvene on Monday." Unfortunately, over the weekend the Conquistadors invaded, and the Mayans had matters more pressing than working on the calendar.
That was good I like that one.
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Kevin
But surely George W Bush leaves the White House this coming January?
The credible experts in this field hardly predict "doomsday". Neither did the Mayans. Perhaps we should bid farewell to our incredibly narrow, unenlightened, and shallow states of mind?
Check out this link:
The credible experts in this field hardly predict "doomsday". Neither did the Mayans. Perhaps we should bid farewell to our incredibly narrow, unenlightened, and shallow states of mind?
Here's another interesting link:
I agree. I think the doomsday thing is more Abrahamic theology tossed in. Thanks for the links. My collection of research grows.
{de-lurking} I've not done extensive research on this, so I'm going to be one of those people who just quotes others, but here goes:
I spent a month studying Mayan culture at a school in Mérida, Yucatán, Mexico in 2006. That's a place steeped in Mayan culture, with countless archaeological sites throughout the region, Mayan villages lining the roads between cities and towns, and many people in Mérida of full or partial Mayan blood who still use Mayan as their primary language. Yet in an entire month in the region, I didn't see a single book or hear a single prophecy about 2012 being the end of existence as we know it.
In the 80 hours of classes (half devoted to Mayan literature, half devoted to Mayan archeology), the only reference to 2012 was when a student asked our archeology teacher -- who worked for the state agency in charge of excavating sites such as Uxmal, Chichén Itzá, etc. -- about the prophecy. His reply was that it holds no water, that the significance of 2012 is only that the Mayan calendar is based on a series of cycles, and that's when it resets.
Yet here in Asheville, you can't walk into a bookstore without seeing books about the 2012 prophecy, and just this weekend I went to a world arts and culture festival, and someone had set up a booth with the sole purpose of selling Mayan calendars with special sections about the prophecy. Are any of these bookstore owners or calendar vendors Mayan? Nope.
I guess my point is, it seems odd that when you visit the heart of the Mayan culture a mere six years before the supposed end of the world you hear nary a peep about it, yet in other cultures people have latched onto the theory.
I'm seriously not trying to slam anyone here, and I don't even pretend to have any sort of intimate knowledge of the subject. Regardless of how you interpret it, the Mayan calendar is a fascinating thing, especially considering the amazing knowledge these people had/have of astronomy. If anything, this post reminds me that I have a couple of books at home on the Mayan calendar that have been collecting dust, and I need to bring them out and read them.
Cheers,
Jeremy {back to lurking mode}
PS: If anyone is interested in Mayan culture, the books by Michael Coe, which are available on amazon.com, come highly recommended from many Mayan scholars.
Hey Tom, there have been predictions throughout history of the end of times and none have ever come true. Case in point, Matthew 16 verse 28 in the bible.
Hope this helps.
Max
Sure, I've heard of this for many years. I have also noted that with the passage of every century many people predict Doomsday. One of the biggest was recently going from 1999 to 2000. So many people were actually going bananas over that one.
If the Ancient Mayans had access to this crystal ball info...............then what happened to them? They're gone and it isn't even 2012 yet. One would think they would have at least wanted to wait for the big day rather than vanish as they did.
Bottom line: You will know when we get to 2012 and the question will have been answered.
I've heard of this before, it scared the crap out of me when I was younger but now I don't sweat it at all. If the world ends, it ends. However, I doubt this holds any truth.
The world actually ended in 2000 with Y2K, don't you remember? Computers all over the world predicted the end in 2000 because that's when their calendar ended...............
Hi Tom
I actually don't believe this is going to happen. This is just a belief from long ago. Let's just enjoy our Christmas season. Let's listen to Christmas music, wrap presents, make cookies, and look at the Christmas tree, and just enjoy the holiday season.
Focus your energy on the holiday or Hannikah season and look forward to opening presents and getting together with your family on Christmas day.
Regardless
His long hair made me NEED to post this. LoL
I love it how he pretends to actually know what he's talking about, and not just telling some fairy tale made up by himself or some preacher before him.
thats because he believes it!
you may be an atheist and be sceptical about religion but you cant begin to understand what to believe means
Actually, I'm an Ignostic, not an atheist. Besides, its not like most atheists are known for their rationality. Most atheists have a god too, the problem-solver they worship is the state. Replacing a god with a god-like state doesn't really constitute rationality, nor does looking towards a state for morality in the form of arbitrary legislation constitute a replacement of religious morality.
And I do understand what "to believe" means, I see it all around me. Almost every war fought was over irrational belief (not necessarily religious, could be any ideological). Discrimination is based on belief (since it's impossible to rationally discriminate). The list can go on, so don't tell me I don't know what belief is, I'm afraid I know it all too well.
I had to do some looking and there IS a belief system of Ignosticism, quote Wikipedia: Ignosticism is the theological position that every other theological position (including agnosticism) assumes too much about the concept of God and many other theological concepts. Is that your position, derf? Or did you intend to type agnostic?
This is WAY off. Atheism means there is no deity of any sort, and their morality is based on compassion, doing the right thing because it is right. If I was religious, I would be insulted to be told that the ONLY reason I do the right thing is out of fear of what a deity would do to me when I die. It sounds like how a child is warned, "Just wait until your father gets home!" to keep said child from misbehaving.
No I intended to type ignostic. I have yet to see any real definition of a deity. It seems depending on who you ask, people's conception of the same deities changes. For example, most religious people I've talked to will hold the position that god is both omnipotent and omniscient, yet this is logically impossible as it incurrs the famous invincible shield versus unstoppable spear paradox. Only when you can have a proper definition of what god(s) is, can we start to wonder whether they exist.
I didn't mean to say religious people only act the way they do because of the holy carrot and stick, but a lot of their behaviour, and understanding of morality, have more to do with scripture or parenting than anything else. Besides, "doing the right thing because it is right" - I don't like that. It's too subjective, depending on your preconceptions and personal prejudices (how you grew up), you could, for example, grow up thinking that beating women is right, or any of the other, unethical moralities some religions hold.
I recommend to you the book by Stefan Molyneux "Universally Preferable Behaviour: A Rational Proof of Secular Ethics". He does a fairly good job of deriving morality as objectively as possible.
I will look into it, thank you. But I'm still confused by your statement that most atheists worship the state, and what do you mean by "problem solver"?
Remember that along with "doing what's right because it's right", I included the word compassion, perhaps I should have also said empathy, saying to yourself "How would I feel if someone did this to me?" If you wouldn't like someone stealing from you, you don't steal from others. If you wouldn't like being hit, don't hit others first. And it also goes for what you should do, if you were in trouble, wouldn't you want someone to give you assistance?
But when most religious groups get up in arms about morality they are really talking about sex. Considering the scandals in the news, it's obvious that having religion is no guarantee of "moral" behavior.
I agree, that's always a good way to gauge morality.
What I mean is that most of the atheists I've read of, or talked to, or seen, worship the state. Such as Dawkins, that pompous fool of a took, who would love to see the state make religion illegal. He thinks the problems that religions can bring about can be solved by the state. They'll only be replaced by the state. Others will advocate mass education of their idea of "rationality", all paid for by the tax payers of course. I'm basically saying most atheists are socialists (such as Carl Sagan).
I should probably mention at this point that I'm a libertarian and don't subscribe to these ideas. Don't start thinking I have anything to do with Ron Paul though, he's far too inconsistent. See the link below :)
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Yeah yeah ok alright. The Jahovahs witnesses have predicted the end wrong about 23 times.....Hahahahah
23 times? Is that all?
just because most predictions are wrong, doesnt mean that one might be right
I have been hearing that life on Earth ***AS WE KNOW IT****, will be destroyed in 2012.
Yes, the codex appears to point at 12-21-2012.
But **as we know it*** can also be a transformation.
Life as I knew it ended when I had my son, on 12-21-91.
Life as I knew it ended when I graduated college, and when I married an occultist.
who yammers about this a lot.
I think it's an age of aquarius type of opportunity for change.