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James Raymond, who left this board a few weeks ago, has cut his hair and is back to being a short hair.
Look at his profile photo on his MySpace:
www.myspace.com/jamesisreallytall
I did show MarkS the photo and he was shocked. He did not know till I showed him.
Matthew
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I am a bit surprised too. I thought he would have kept it long. Maybe in the future he will regrow it.
Scott
He has his problems I think.
Thanks for sharing that with us!
Hi Matthew,
I guess thanks for the update as I did look at his profile and its a shame it came to this but I think in the end this is what he wanted.Actually I'm not at all surprised he did this since left the board two times over the past couple months.As always, I support the freedom to choose how one wants to present themselves.I've come to realize longhair is not for everyone my friend.
Mark
And it's his decision. Who cares ?
Vivien
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My sentiments exactly Vivien. That was exactly where my mind went when I read this.
Todd
I agree he made his choice so now lets move on. Posting a link to his short hair pic was almost inappropriate.
Apparently, you've mistaken me for someone who gives a s***
Are you stalking him?
Who cares? I judge people by their inner self and James is a fine fellow, we CAN like people with short hair - it's not a crime. I know very few longhairs, but that makes me stand out more, everybody knows nuttidave tho, there's no mistaking me!! LOL!
My view is that the more you let long hair rule your life and every thought, the more likely you will cut eventually, it becomes obsessive and obsessives can also be impulsive. I never think about my hair, mess fiddle or worry about it, and I will never be without it barring illness.
Chill out and enjoy yourself :-)
~ Dave
Well said, my friend!
--Val
Im not suprised since James always seems to be on his little man period 24/7.
But still, it kinda speaks for your character to be a little tattletale and making a big deal about it here.
I have mixed feelings about this, first I want to say that I don't see anything wrong with you telling us this. Just look at how he left, damn crybaby.
I don't want him to have long hair, I despise him and I really don't give a * who don't like it.
He says he wants to "body check" people for asking him if he plays basketball... I hope he does. Maybe he'll get checked.
It would suit me fine if I never had to hear about that elitist snob again.
Paul
Well, I feel like I should comment on this. I've been here for pretty close to 2 years now, and I remember James being here for ages. His comments were generally cheerful and he had a great update page with tons of pics. Interesting and smart, and I kinda feel hurt about some of the attitude attached to this. There is bitterness, yes, he left some bad tastes in our mouths. I mean he left after what was essentially a big fight on the board. However, don't forget that he left for the reason (that he gave): that there was some violent language getting thrown around. It really didn't suprise me to hear that he cut his hair, he really was upset at this board (rightfully or wrongfully so) and I can see how that development happened. The truth is no one feels the exact same way about anything. As has been commongly stated, not everyone needs long hair. (Fewer longhairs actually makes us rather special!) Also, concerning the appearance of this post on the board, I have no qualms with it. It never shows his current hairstyle (thus isn't advocating having short hair) and is just a small update. And as someone who read James' comments for a while, I found it interesting. If you don't care, just ignore it. There are tons of posts on longhair metal artists, and I can assure you not everyone here cares about that! And perhaps I could even say that applies to the posts on longhair politics . . . So let's just agree that we have different tastes and try to get along, before this board succumbs to petty quarrels!
Friends?,
-Christian Epp
P.S. Thanks Matthew for the update.
What violent language? Dude, you really need to go back and check the facts. He left because I called some troll a "Hair Nazi". If you think that's violent language then you really need to get out more.
What is this, the "James Gang" or something?
Paul
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Dude, you really need to go back and check the facts. He left because I called some troll a "Hair Nazi". If you think that's violent language then you really need to get out more.
I get out enough, thank you. Maybe some people don't find it violent, but Nazi is a strong word in my book.
Perhaps, my opinion isn't necessarilly unbiased. I've "known" James longer than you.
i don't know if you'll see this or not, since it's down the board quite a bit now...
but, i just wanted to give you a thumbs up for standing up for yourself here. it's nice to see. you quickly became one of my favorite contributors when you joined up because of your positive attitude and respectful responses. i'm glad to see that hasn't changed and you are still the same good person. thanks for restoring a little faith in humanity for me. :)
Standing up for himself? What do you think I was doing?
Do you think it's ok for some troll to come in here and bash longhair? I stood up for US and James got pissed at me for doing it and then left. That's ridiculous and I'm sick of all you people who try to make me into the bad guy. I am not going to allow cee, you or anyone else say what I did was wrong.
What the hell is wrong with you?
Paul
paul,
i know you know very little about me, since i don't come around here much anymore. frankly, i don't much care for you after reading a lot of your posts. if you want to know why, it's because of responses like this. i never stated that you did anything wrong. in fact, my message to Cee had absolutely nothing to do with you. get over yourself.
putting "what the hell is wrong with you" at the end of your message is extremely hostile and unappreciated. it is possible to have respect for others while expressing your own thoughts. you might try that out sometime instead of always being so aggressive.
nic
Whatever nic,
You say your response had nothing to do with me? Did you not give him a "thumbs up" for standing up for himself? Was he not responding to my post when he "stood up for himself"? You should have just stayed out of it.
Cee is quite capable of defending himself and although it's none of your business, we have exchanged e-mail and got the situation straightened out. I don't feel so optimistic about being able to do that with you.
"Get over yourself", god I hate that. That's what little goody two shoes like to pop off when they don't like someone. I consider that a bit hostile.
I find it hard to respect people who post something they know is going to rub someone the wrong way and then act like they're innocent. You knew what you were doing.
You don't like me, ok... so why didn't you just post something directly to me. Get it out of your system. Isn't that what they call "passive aggressive"?
Paul
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- yes, i did say that. i and i still say that.
Did you not give him a "thumbs up" for standing up for himself?
- i certainly did. and i would do it again in a heartbeat.
Was he not responding to my post when he "stood up for himself"?
- an unfortunate coincidence. i would have said the same thing regardless to whom he had responded.
You should have just stayed out of it.
- stay out of what? i wasn't getting involved in an argument. i was supporting a young member of society.
- yes, he is. he has shown himself quite capable. hence the messge.
and although it's none of your business, we have exchanged e-mail and got the situation straightened out.
- congratulations. i like it when people can work things out.
I don't feel so optimistic about being able to do that with you.
- i'm not sure how this is my fault. i'm the kind of person who loves having conversations with anyone, regardless of how different their beliefs may be or how i personally feel about them. i am able to have an adult conversation with anyone who would like to give it a go. feel free to email me any time. i only check it a couple times a week, but you would definitely get a response. brownphred@aol.com
- i still stand by that, too. only someone who believes the world revolves around themself would jump to the conclusion you did.
That's what little goody two shoes like to pop off when they don't like someone.
- you may just be the first person ever in my life to refer to me as a "little goody two shoes." that actually made me laugh out loud, as it truly showed how little you know of me. like yourself, i tend to do many things and hold many beliefs that are not of the popular persuasion. i'm comfortable in my own skin and i'm not afraid to show that, which often gets me in trouble. examples are readily available.
I consider that a bit hostile.
- hostile? i'm not seeing any hostility coming from me. i saw support going to cee. "hostile" can be better defined as flipping someone off because you percieve them looking at you from across the street as a negative (yup, i read some other posts).
- yes, i did know exactly what i was doing. and again, it had nothing to do with you. the whole purpose of my message was just as i stated - to give support to cee. it had nothing to do with who he responded to. cee is young, and i like seeing people his age have the confidence to stand on their own two feet. it reminds me that there is still hope for the future. that type of behavior should be encouraged. people should get positive reinforcement when they do something good. i felt cee deserved to know that someone was proud of him, so i told him. cee is an obviously good person, and i hope he continues to live his life in such a way - no matter who he gets into a confrontation with.
- why would i do that? seriously, how incredibly childish would it be to start a thread with "hey paulkmf, i don't like you?" and what purpose would that serve? if i don't like what someone has to say, i choose to not respond. simple, really. negativity doesn't get anyone anywhere worth going. if i ever read a post of yours that i felt was way over the top, then i would gladly send you a private message - not post it on a public website like a highschool gossip circle.
- i hope this clears things up.
- respectfully,
nic
E-mail you... nah, sounds like a trap to me. I think your subtle and vicious and I don't trust you. However, if you wrote me, I'd respond and I'd even let you set the tone of our exchange.
You have me at a disadvantage since you only pop up once in a while. Oh, wait you said that!
It's hard to search the achieves using the word “nic”. Sigh, guess you have the high ground.
I do love the way you eviscerated my message, lol. Charming and deliciously spiteful. Good thing you're cute.
I'm happy that you think I'm worth the time you spent on that.
Wow, maybe the world does revolve around me after all.
Meant with the utmost kindness, xoxo
Paul KMF
. . . too bad I've never been good at following instructions.
Paul, honestly, calm down. Yet again you're misinterpreting a user. Nic's "Get over yourself" is getting proven only by you. You're assuming e-mailing her is trap, exactly how? It's a private message! She has you at a disadvantage? Her choosing the name "nic" wasn't solely so you couldn't search the archives.
Moving onward, I'd say that she did not "eviscerate" your message, but rather "dissected" it. As a science student, I know there's a big difference. Instead of a rag-tag tearing it apart with no cohesive thought, it was methodically sectioned for the purpose of explanation. She tried her best to respond to every aspect of your (I'm gonna say it) hostile message to her. Although one could argue hers was also partially hostile, yours was more hostile I'd agree. Heck, if you're pissed about her step-by-step response, try not to forget that I answered yours in the same manner!
However, if your ending is sincere, you could just be lacking in the tact department, which is fine. Although I must say "Good thing you're cute" among other things cause me to doubt.
Nic, once again thank you for your response. I apologize for you being caught up in this. Whether any of the responses here were rightly placed is up for debate, although your first post (being purely supportive) is probably the best. Just as I understand (although still don't agree with) Paul's responses, I understand your additions to this thread. However, the adage "Don't feed the trolls" could easily apply here, as Paul's comments in this thread (whether purposefully or not) seem only capable of creating conflict, I think it's best if we let this die. I don't know what else to say, as I hate to mediate generally. I'm sorry you don't get the last word, but I'm sure you could agree that succumbing to a petty fight isn't really a better alternative.
In conclusion, I hope both of you understand what I'm getting at. We all seem to just becoming more and more pissed off, and that ain't doing this thread any good. Paul, apparently you didn't quite get my point, and I hope we can agree on this now.
- We don't agree on everything (Check!)
- We don't have to agree on everything (Check!)
- Arguing in this thread certainly isn't healthy, as our points are getting muddled by anger and we're not getting anywhere (Check!)
- The best course of action at this point is to shake hands (without spitting on them first), say sorry for the things you've done/said and go back to the posts that aren't 500 metres of scrolling down the board. (Check?)
So, here's my final request (I hope it's not too hard). Anything else said on this thread will consist solely of apologies and forgiving each other. If you feel you don't have to apologize, then you just don't post. I hope we can do this now.
I'll start - I'm sorry for getting carried away and abandoning this without trying to conclude it (reference to my last post). I started this thread, it's my responsibility.
Also, Paul, I'm sorry for not even trying to see things your way and just assuming my way was the logical way for all people. I hope you forgive me.
Nic, I'm sorry for not continuing to support you as you supported me. I very much enjoy your posts and am glad you're back on the board again. I hope you can forgive me.
Anyone else?
-Christian Epp
Hey Cee, ain't nothing to forgive. Since our e-mail exchange, I think you're pretty cool and I do understand why you posted this. You may feel responsible in a small way for this but it's not, in any way, your fault. I think it was coming sooner or later.
I wish I could remember who said it but once I read a quote, “If you don't like someone, the way they hold their fork will anger you but a friend can spill his plate in you lap and you will not be offended”. The fact that I know nothing about her but she seems to know a lot about me might shed some light on what her real reason was for posting her initial response to you.
You are really, really, off the mark by assuming that I meant she choose that name “nic” so I (or anyone) couldn't find her in the achieves, lol! Man, that is pretty out there. First of all, she's been here a lot longer than me. Secondly, I ain't that crazy. Wow.
You may have overestimated our anger at each other. I'm not angry, she sees things very differently, I just don't agree with her passive/aggressive approach.
She did state that she don't care much for me, she reads my post and don't like much I have to say. That's her problem. (btw nic, I don't flip people off from across the street, I'm not some chicken sh*t. I do it right to their face.)
However if you want us to shut up and try to be more civil, I'll hold out my hand first; She has spirit, courage and loyalty to her friends. All traits that I cherish. And I think she's just as stubborn as I am.
Paul
I caught it, I'm interested in this thread's direction. I don't agree with violence, even in pretty extreme cases and I guess not meceryone sees life that way! I do however think your words are too kind for just a lottle opinion, but thank you very much. Now I'm blushing . . .
What IS it with the MLHH, lately? Why has there been so much contention and in-fighting? The collective skin has grown a bit thin, it seems, and some people are taking things WAY too personally.
If Matthew thinks this is interesting and wants to share it with us, that's cool with me. I think some of you have responded to him with more hostility than he deserves. He has simply let us know that a long-time member of this community--one who left amidst a fair amount of drama--has cut his hair. Now, this information doesn't really have an impact on my life, but I do find it mildly interesting.
Don't shoot the messenger just because you don't give a hoot about the message... it's bad manners.
--Val
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I just want to clarify my part in this. I wasn't saying anything negative about Matt's post concerning James Raymond. I was just agreeing with Vivien that I didn't really care if the guy chose to cut his hair. I guess Matt took that personally (this is where the thin skin came in) and kind of made a rude reply to my next unrelated post.Hindsight being 20-20 tells me maybe I should have just let
Matt's comments go.
peace and Love,
Todd