Idiots out there.....

Idiots out there.....

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Funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost scary, the nuts that are out there.

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- Idiots out there.....
  
  rotjab
  
  Funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost scary, the nuts that are out there.
  I don't think the URL went through on the first message:
  http://www.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm
  
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  - yup
    
    Mark
    
    And these are the same people who say Jesus had white skin even though he supposedly lived in the Middle East - a mostly desert, high-heat land.
    
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    Robert
    
    For what it's worth . . . the article at this url is using Roman hairstyles to make judgments about what Jesus, a Palestinian Jew, would or would not have worn. Roman men clearly favored shorter hair and beardless faces. Their Greek counterparts found long hair and beards on men a sign of maturity and wisdom, that which dilineated a boy from a man. The early paintings of Jesus cited are all Roman-influenced. The scriptures cited are those of Paul--a Roman citizen and refer to current Roman cultural issues for a Christian audience. Point is, none of what is cited actually proves anything about the historical Jesus--which is nearly impossible to do. BTW, I teach Classcial languages (Latin and Greek) and theology.
    Robert
    Funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost scary, the nuts that are out there.
    I don't think the URL went through on the first message:
    http://www.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm
    
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    - ..Greek counterparts & long hair ?
      
      petronius
      
      Their Greek counterparts found long hair and beards on men a sign of maturity and wisdom, that which dilineated a boy from a man.
      This is really interesting as I've little knowledge of these early long hair classical times! :-) For instance why they "found" long hair and beards to be a sign of maturity and wisdom and so on....?
      However whilst I attend Church occasionally and felt the original posting to be nonsense, I must confess I'm rather puzzled why it seems you get the Romans + Christianity + short hair on the one hand and the Greeks + worship of Gods + long hair on the other. Or am I reading things incorrectly ?
      Thanks.
      Oh dear just realised ! What's the Greek equivalent for Petronius just in case lol !! ;-)
      
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        Robert
        
        I didn't make quite the statements you have below. Here is what I was trying to say. Roman culture and power was the context for early Christianity (which includes the writings of the NT, expecially those letters attributed to Paul). Roman culture favored short hair and beardless faces for men--for the most part. There are exceptions. The exceptions seem to want to copy the Greek model, which Romans often did. So, very often, what is thought of as "Christian" is really Roman, adopted by Christians. A beard and long hair, as I understand it, would have been typical for an orthodox Jew of Jesus day.
        As for the Greeks, as with the Celts and other ethnic groups, a clear demarcation between boyhood and manhood is the ability to grow a beard. The bearded face and the (relatively) unshorn head were signs of manhood, distinct from the boy. The longer (and grayer) the beard and hair, the wiser the man was thought to be. He took on the role of elder. Interestingly, one still sees this in Eastern Orthodox churches were men, especially bishops and priests, MUST grow beards and long hair--as signs of being the elders of the community. This is an example of Christianity, in the east, taking on Greek cultural clothes.
        As has been suggested here before, what advantage might our culture see in keeping grown men looking (and acting?) like boys? In American culture, religion has had a strong hand, in my opinion, in creating this pattern for us. Growing my hair long has been one way for me to choose to step out of the pattern.
        Robert
        Their Greek counterparts found long hair and beards on men a sign of maturity and wisdom, that which dilineated a boy from a man.
        This is really interesting as I've little knowledge of these early long hair classical times! :-) For instance why they "found" long hair and beards to be a sign of maturity and wisdom and so on....?
        However whilst I attend Church occasionally and felt the original posting to be nonsense, I must confess I'm rather puzzled why it seems you get the Romans + Christianity + short hair on the one hand and the Greeks + worship of Gods + long hair on the other. Or am I reading things incorrectly ?
        Thanks.
        Oh dear just realised ! What's the Greek equivalent for Petronius just in case lol !! ;-)
        
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        petrocles/ petronius ?
        
        I didn't make quite the statements you have below. Here is what I was trying to say. Roman culture and power was the context for early Christianity (which includes the writings of the NT, expecially those letters attributed to Paul). Roman culture favored short hair and beardless faces for men--for the most part. There are exceptions. The exceptions seem to want to copy the Greek model, which Romans often did. So, very often, what is thought of as "Christian" is really Roman, adopted by Christians. A beard and long hair, as I understand it, would have been typical for an orthodox Jew of Jesus day.
        As for the Greeks, as with the Celts and other ethnic groups, a clear demarcation between boyhood and manhood is the ability to grow a beard. The bearded face and the (relatively) unshorn head were signs of manhood, distinct from the boy. The longer (and grayer) the beard and hair, the wiser the man was thought to be. He took on the role of elder. Interestingly, one still sees this in Eastern Orthodox churches were men, especially bishops and priests, MUST grow beards and long hair--as signs of being the elders of the community. This is an example of Christianity, in the east, taking on Greek cultural clothes.
        As has been suggested here before, what advantage might our culture see in keeping grown men looking (and acting?) like boys? In American culture, religion has had a strong hand, in my opinion, in creating this pattern for us. Growing my hair long has been one way for me to choose to step out of the pattern.
        Robert
        I must confess I'm rather puzzled why it seems you get the Romans + Christianity + short hair on the one hand and the Greeks + worship of Gods + long hair on the other. Or am I reading things incorrectly ?
        Actually my apologies as it looks as though I was referring to you yourself when I said "why it seems you get the Romans on the one hand....", which was not the case.
        In fact I was meaning "why it seems that one (anyone) can have the Romans on the one hand and...."
        Also excuse my blissful ignorance (dating from staring out the window during lessons !) but I hadn't realised that Christianity in the east had gone the Eastern Orthodox Church route and taken on Greek Cultural clothes, which is interesting in itself.
        I think what I was trying to understand were the dual Roman/ Greek situations leading up to pre-christianity in order to be able to examine and question properly the strange and highly subjective arguments within the original article. The cultural forces prevailing within parallel Roman and Greek societies that might have led to the sub-divisions into short and long hair preferences in the first place. And why as a consequence it seems that modern Western society seems intent on mainstreaming us lemming-like down the original Roman route.
        Because, by extending this train of thought it makes me wonder that by the application in today's Law Courts of the example of the Eastern Orthodox Church/ Christian tradition down the ages as well as (or instead of) solely the Roman/ Christian one, there ought to exist a useful legal counter-argument in cases of male long hair discrimination as well ? And not solely dependent on any specific religion's grounds either but general Christianity itself. Always assuming of course that most Western legal systems in essence stemmed originally from either King Alfred or more likely the Magna Carta ?
        Nothing like trying to undermine the pro-short hair lobby's argument is there !! lol :-) And heck if we were to all unanimously agree that the longer modern day Man's hair was inevitably the wiser and more venerated we would all become (grey hairs or not), I think we'd soon be on an instant home run....even if it was only with the ladies ! LOL !! ;-)
        Petrocles ;-)
        
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        Greek counterparts had curly hair ?
        
        A. Michelson
        
        I thought that the Greeks and the Romans had CURLY hair!
        I didn't make quite the statements you have below. Here is what I was trying to say. Roman culture and power was the context for early Christianity (which includes the writings of the NT, expecially those letters attributed to Paul). Roman culture favored short hair and beardless faces for men--for the most part. There are exceptions. The exceptions seem to want to copy the Greek model, which Romans often did. So, very often, what is thought of as "Christian" is really Roman, adopted by Christians. A beard and long hair, as I understand it, would have been typical for an orthodox Jew of Jesus day.
        As for the Greeks, as with the Celts and other ethnic groups, a clear demarcation between boyhood and manhood is the ability to grow a beard. The bearded face and the (relatively) unshorn head were signs of manhood, distinct from the boy. The longer (and grayer) the beard and hair, the wiser the man was thought to be. He took on the role of elder. Interestingly, one still sees this in Eastern Orthodox churches were men, especially bishops and priests, MUST grow beards and long hair--as signs of being the elders of the community. This is an example of Christianity, in the east, taking on Greek cultural clothes.
        As has been suggested here before, what advantage might our culture see in keeping grown men looking (and acting?) like boys? In American culture, religion has had a strong hand, in my opinion, in creating this pattern for us. Growing my hair long has been one way for me to choose to step out of the pattern.
        Robert
        I must confess I'm rather puzzled why it seems you get the Romans + Christianity + short hair on the one hand and the Greeks + worship of Gods + long hair on the other. Or am I reading things incorrectly ?
        
        Actually my apologies as it looks as though I was referring to you yourself when I said "why it seems you get the Romans on the one hand....", which was not the case.
        In fact I was meaning "why it seems that one (anyone) can have the Romans on the one hand and...."
        Also excuse my blissful ignorance (dating from staring out the window during lessons !) but I hadn't realised that Christianity in the east had gone the Eastern Orthodox Church route and taken on Greek Cultural clothes, which is interesting in itself.
        I think what I was trying to understand were the dual Roman/ Greek situations leading up to pre-christianity in order to be able to examine and question properly the strange and highly subjective arguments within the original article. The cultural forces prevailing within parallel Roman and Greek societies that might have led to the sub-divisions into short and long hair preferences in the first place. And why as a consequence it seems that modern Western society seems intent on mainstreaming us lemming-like down the original Roman route.
        Because, by extending this train of thought it makes me wonder that by the application in today's Law Courts of the example of the Eastern Orthodox Church/ Christian tradition down the ages as well as (or instead of) solely the Roman/ Christian one, there ought to exist a useful legal counter-argument in cases of male long hair discrimination as well ? And not solely dependent on any specific religion's grounds either but general Christianity itself. Always assuming of course that most Western legal systems in essence stemmed originally from either King Alfred or more likely the Magna Carta ?
        Nothing like trying to undermine the pro-short hair lobby's argument is there !! lol :-) And heck if we were to all unanimously agree that the longer modern day Man's hair was inevitably the wiser and more venerated we would all become (grey hairs or not), I think we'd soon be on an instant home run....even if it was only with the ladies ! LOL !! ;-)
        Petrocles ;-)
        
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        Greek & Roman Hair Salons ?
        
        petronius
        
        I thought that the Greeks and the Romans had CURLY hair!
        Perhaps that's when straightening irons first came on the scene ? :-) Whatever but it sure does conjure up some really great images of pre-christian Greek and Roman Hair Salons......lol !!
        "And how would Sir/Madam like their hair done today....?"
        "Was your Gladiator successful as usual ?"
        I didn't make quite the statements you have below. Here is what I was trying to say. Roman culture and power was the context for early Christianity (which includes the writings of the NT, expecially those letters attributed to Paul). Roman culture favored short hair and beardless faces for men--for the most part. There are exceptions. The exceptions seem to want to copy the Greek model, which Romans often did. So, very often, what is thought of as "Christian" is really Roman, adopted by Christians. A beard and long hair, as I understand it, would have been typical for an orthodox Jew of Jesus day.
        As for the Greeks, as with the Celts and other ethnic groups, a clear demarcation between boyhood and manhood is the ability to grow a beard. The bearded face and the (relatively) unshorn head were signs of manhood, distinct from the boy. The longer (and grayer) the beard and hair, the wiser the man was thought to be. He took on the role of elder. Interestingly, one still sees this in Eastern Orthodox churches were men, especially bishops and priests, MUST grow beards and long hair--as signs of being the elders of the community. This is an example of Christianity, in the east, taking on Greek cultural clothes.
        As has been suggested here before, what advantage might our culture see in keeping grown men looking (and acting?) like boys? In American culture, religion has had a strong hand, in my opinion, in creating this pattern for us. Growing my hair long has been one way for me to choose to step out of the pattern.
        Robert
        I must confess I'm rather puzzled why it seems you get the Romans + Christianity + short hair on the one hand and the Greeks + worship of Gods + long hair on the other. Or am I reading things incorrectly ?
        
        Actually my apologies as it looks as though I was referring to you yourself when I said "why it seems you get the Romans on the one hand....", which was not the case.
        In fact I was meaning "why it seems that one (anyone) can have the Romans on the one hand and...."
        Also excuse my blissful ignorance (dating from staring out the window during lessons !) but I hadn't realised that Christianity in the east had gone the Eastern Orthodox Church route and taken on Greek Cultural clothes, which is interesting in itself.
        I think what I was trying to understand were the dual Roman/ Greek situations leading up to pre-christianity in order to be able to examine and question properly the strange and highly subjective arguments within the original article. The cultural forces prevailing within parallel Roman and Greek societies that might have led to the sub-divisions into short and long hair preferences in the first place. And why as a consequence it seems that modern Western society seems intent on mainstreaming us lemming-like down the original Roman route.
        Because, by extending this train of thought it makes me wonder that by the application in today's Law Courts of the example of the Eastern Orthodox Church/ Christian tradition down the ages as well as (or instead of) solely the Roman/ Christian one, there ought to exist a useful legal counter-argument in cases of male long hair discrimination as well ? And not solely dependent on any specific religion's grounds either but general Christianity itself. Always assuming of course that most Western legal systems in essence stemmed originally from either King Alfred or more likely the Magna Carta ?
        Nothing like trying to undermine the pro-short hair lobby's argument is there !! lol :-) And heck if we were to all unanimously agree that the longer modern day Man's hair was inevitably the wiser and more venerated we would all become (grey hairs or not), I think we'd soon be on an instant home run....even if it was only with the ladies ! LOL !! ;-)
        Petrocles ;-)
        
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        Re: Greek & Roman Hair Salons ?
        
        A. Michelson
        
        I thought that the Greeks and the Romans had CURLY hair!
        Perhaps that's when straightening irons first came on the scene ? :-) Whatever but it sure does conjure up some really great images of pre-christian Greek and Roman Hair Salons......lol !!
        "And how would Sir/Madam like their hair done today....?"
        "Was your Gladiator successful as usual ?"
        I wonder if the ancient Greeks and Romans are related to the Africans [afros] and Jews [isros] of the "desert", as someone once mentioned?
        I think that it was the Greeks, or was it the Romans, who had those little "ringlets" in their hair, according to Doreen Yarwood who authored European costume : 4000 years of fashion. Did they have CURLING irons in those days?
        
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        petronius
        
        I thought that the Greeks and the Romans had CURLY hair!
        Perhaps that's when straightening irons first came on the scene ? :-) Whatever but it sure does conjure up some really great images of pre-christian Greek and Roman Hair Salons......lol !!
        "And how would Sir/Madam like their hair done today....?"
        "Was your Gladiator successful as usual ?"
        I wonder if the ancient Greeks and Romans are related to the Africans [afros] and Jews [isros] of the "desert", as someone once mentioned?
        I think that it was the Greeks, or was it the Romans, who had those little "ringlets" in their hair, according to Doreen Yarwood who authored European costume : 4000 years of fashion. Did they have CURLING irons in those days?
        No idea at all but they're interesting questions. Why not start a new historical topic as there's bound to be someone out there who'd know ? I'd be interested to find out if really long hair for men in Western Europe ever became a fashion, say after the 14th Century. I mean publicly worn loose down to the waist or longer because that would have been a really cool time to live !! :-)
        
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        after the 17th Century
        
        A. Michelson
        
        I think that it was the Greeks, or was it the Romans, who had those little "ringlets" in their hair, according to Doreen Yarwood who authored European costume: 4000 years of fashion. Did they have CURLING irons in those days?: No idea at all but they're interesting questions. Why not start a new historical topic as there's bound to be someone out there who'd know? I'd be interested to find out if really long hair for men in Western Europe ever became a fashion, say after the 14th Century.
        As during the 17th Century, perhaps? Plenty of long hair and moustache (and maybe goatee) then! Incidently, that was also mentioned in European costume: 4000 years of fashion.
        
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    The Rev
    
    Funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost scary, the nuts that are out there.
    I don't think the URL went through on the first message:
    http://www.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm
    Jeez. The thinks people will use up their time on..
    The Rev
    
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    CaTiger
    
    This Rev needs to worry more about the eternal salvation of his flock, than whether or not a persons' hair style has anything to do with their moral character.
    
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      John L.
      
      This Rev needs to worry more about the eternal salvation of his flock, than whether or not a persons' hair style has anything to do with their moral character.
      Or what they wear. Quite a few "fundamentalist" Christians do not let men wear kilts, skirts, or sarongs, which are mainly men's garments (except for the skirts, which are unisex, not women's garments). I should know. My family has turned fundamentalist on me. As soon as I can, I'm moving out and getting my own life. Something I should've done years ago.
      -J
      Tom's Café
      
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  - this is too funny
    
    Josh
    
    Funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost scary, the nuts that are out there.
    I don't think the URL went through on the first message:
    http://www.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm
    but unfortunately there are a lot of people that think like this in America.
    I recall my discussion with this one "Born again Christian" who lectured to me about why God intended Men to have short hair and women to have Long hair.
    it was so funny I ended up laughing at him the whole time he was preaching his beliefs.
    he of course accused me of mocking the word of God.
    
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    ponytailwannabe
    
    It is laughable. I also dont understand why this "man of God" is more interested in cutting a mans hair than helping him to save his soul. Sounds kinda insecure to me. I dont think God wants us all to look alike which is what it sounds like this guy is after. Just my thoughts.
    
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  - this guy should be nicer to people
    
    paddy
    
    most people on this board seem to advocate being open minded to other people. i also try to be "open-minded". of course "open-minded" seems like it has many meanings.
    of course, i happen to look at things differently from the writer of the linked url, and my opinion is probably shared with most people who read this board, but i just thought i would remind everyone to not put any one thing off as crazy just because it is out of the ordinary or sounds crazy at first. if you read that web page and find that you do not believe him, fine. (like me) i just ask that you do not just read a line and then insult him, even if he says things that are wrong.
    in a similar matter, i think he definately could have been a lot kinder to the people he was talking about. some of the things he said were quite insulting.
    also, i realize that something i just said above probably conflicts with something i said in some earlier post, so if you would be so kind as to not point out all my hypocracies, i would be thankful. i just thought i would write down my thoughts on the topic. :)
    
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      Hair Religion
      
      The writer of the "article" is what is known as a "crackpot".
      Hair Religion
      
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        paddy
        
        hey, crackpots are people too. :)
        The writer of the "article" is what is known as a "crackpot".
        
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        Hair Religion
        
        No objection by me on that one.
        Doesn't mean that their attempts to damn you to hell need to be met with smiles and admiration or even indifference just because they are "voicing their opinion".
        Hair Religion
        
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    TomS
    
    This tract was written in about 1970, I think a lot has changed since then. My church believes Jewish men had hair to the tops of their shoulders, and "long" hair that women wore was considered longer than that. Remember the sun in that part of the world is fairly intense, so hair would have protected their face and neck. Also read that Moses wore gold hoop earrings, something that the Fundamentalists would not want people to know... The man on the shroud of Turin has long hair...
    Tom S
    Funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost scary, the nuts that are out there.
    I don't think the URL went through on the first message:
    http://www.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm
    
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  - Jesus had long hair
    
    Bill
    
    Funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost scary, the nuts that are out there.
    http://www.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm
    Watch PBS schedules for "The Face - Jesus in Art". I've seen it several times on the schedule over the past couple of months. It is an exquisitely done documentary, financed by the Catholic and Methodist Churches, among others. It shows beautiful depictions of Jesus over many centuries, and in almost all of them, Jesus has long hair.
    In most of them, He had curly shoulder-blade-length hair, parted in the middle, straighter on top, curlier near the ends. His beard was often split into two parts to some extent on either side of His chin. This description of Him was traced to one written down in about 300 A.D. and none earlier in writing has been found.
    One can go all over Europe and see depictions of Jesus in every church, many of them hundreds of years old. Almost all of these depictions have Him with long hair.
    The thing to ask these idiots is why they would choose to look like those who murdered Jesus, when they instead could look like Jesus. :-)
    
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      John L.
      
      Funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost scary, the nuts that are out there.
      http://www.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm
      Watch PBS schedules for "The Face - Jesus in Art". I've seen it several times on the schedule over the past couple of months. It is an exquisitely done documentary, financed by the Catholic and Methodist Churches, among others. It shows beautiful depictions of Jesus over many centuries, and in almost all of them, Jesus has long hair.
      In most of them, He had curly shoulder-blade-length hair, parted in the middle, straighter on top, curlier near the ends. His beard was often split into two parts to some extent on either side of His chin. This description of Him was traced to one written down in about 300 A.D. and none earlier in writing has been found.
      One can go all over Europe and see depictions of Jesus in every church, many of them hundreds of years old. Almost all of these depictions have Him with long hair.
      The thing to ask these idiots is why they would choose to look like those who murdered Jesus, when they instead could look like Jesus. :-)
      Well said, Bill... For that matter, I have NEVER seen Jesus depicted with short hair and wearing bifurcated garments... :) Which is what most (if not all) fundies would want men to look like. Short hair, and dressed in pants.
      -J
      
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      - Re: Jesus had long hair
        
        Hair Religion
        
        If you really want to get deep into biblical studies you will find that there is question weather Jesus ever really was or not. For sure the Jesus that everybody has been brought up with is an amazing weave of stories written beginning about 100 years after he supposedly died and continuing for several hundred years. Ever know people to orally re-tell a story accurately for 100 years? Can you imagine running your life to go with these stories and telling other people that they need to base their lives on these stories?
        Yea, I guess we are all going to hell because we have long hair and gawd doesn't like it.
        Hair Religion
        
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        Hairy
        
        If you really want to get deep into biblical studies you will find that there is question weather Jesus ever really was or not. For sure the Jesus that everybody has been brought up with is an amazing weave of stories written beginning about 100 years after he supposedly died and continuing for several hundred years. Ever know people to orally re-tell a story accurately for 100 years? Can you imagine running your life to go with these stories and telling other people that they need to base their lives on these stories?
        Yea, I guess we are all going to hell because we have long hair and gawd doesn't like it.
        No way. Jesus had to have existed.
        The question is whether or not he really was/is the Son of God. But there's NO WAY he didn't exist.
        
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        Hair Religion
        
        Have you studied?
        During WWII (and before) the Japanese people as a whole considered the emperor a god. Did that make it so?
        If you have a few minutes then read this: http://www.atheists.org/church/realbible.html
        It's just a drop in the bucket.
        Hair Religion
        
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        TomS
        
        And where did you get this idea that hair is God?
        Have you studied?
        During WWII (and before) the Japanese people as a whole considered the emperor a god. Did that make it so?
        If you have a few minutes then read this: http://www.atheists.org/church/realbible.html
        It's just a drop in the bucket.
        
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        Hair Religion
        
        I don't think that at all, do I?
        Hair Religion
        
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        tock
        
        No way. Jesus had to have existed.
        The question is whether or not he really was/is the Son of God. But there's NO WAY he didn't exist.
        ========
        Nah, there's been lots of people supposed to be dead and resurrected, like Quetzecotal (some Mexican god), Krishna, one of the main characters in the Zoroastrian religion, and 13 others of various religions. Jesus was just another copy cat story; about as reliable as an contemporary oral record of the exploits of Teddy Roosevelt.
        B'leeve it if you like; I find it difficult to do so . . .
        --Tock
        By the way, didn't Teddy Roosevelt have long hair back when he was in the military?
        
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        Re: Jesus had long hair
        
        Robert
        
        KNowing that this is straying way off of hair . . . you know, there is another way to approach this besides the All or Nothing that is being tossed back and forth here. The historicity of Jesus is very questionable from an objective viewpoint (and I have spent my life in the work of theology and ministry, so I have some investment and knowledge here). And yet, whether Jesus was an historical person or not, the stories about him can still be powerful and meaningful. When you read one of the stories about him, or one he is supposed to have told, does it speak to you? For instance, on this weekend, whether you are religious or not, has your life ever had any deaths and new beginnings? My bet is, every single one of us, many, many times! So, the story of being misunderstood, killed and raised to new life, can be meaningful, whether he actually existed or not. The same is true for Krishna, Qetzalcoatl, and the others. There are so many "copy cats" because this kind of story speaks deeply into who we are. And, incidentally, I think seeing a man with long hair evokes some of this depth and mystery in people. It frightens most. Happy Easter,
        Robert
        No way. Jesus had to have existed.
        The question is whether or not he really was/is the Son of God. But there's NO WAY he didn't exist.
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        Nah, there's been lots of people supposed to be dead and resurrected, like Quetzecotal (some Mexican god), Krishna, one of the main characters in the Zoroastrian religion, and 13 others of various religions. Jesus was just another copy cat story; about as reliable as an contemporary oral record of the exploits of Teddy Roosevelt.
        B'leeve it if you like; I find it difficult to do so . . .
        --Tock
        By the way, didn't Teddy Roosevelt have long hair back when he was in the military?
        
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        Re: Jesus had long hair
        
        DaveB
        
        KNowing that this is straying way off of hair . . . you know, there is another way to approach this besides the All or Nothing that is being tossed back and forth here. The historicity of Jesus is very questionable from an objective viewpoint (and I have spent my life in the work of theology and ministry, so I have some investment and knowledge here). And yet, whether Jesus was an historical person or not, the stories about him can still be powerful and meaningful. When you read one of the stories about him, or one he is supposed to have told, does it speak to you? For instance, on this weekend, whether you are religious or not, has your life ever had any deaths and new beginnings? My bet is, every single one of us, many, many times! So, the story of being misunderstood, killed and raised to new life, can be meaningful, whether he actually existed or not. The same is true for Krishna, Qetzalcoatl, and the others. There are so many "copy cats" because this kind of story speaks deeply into who we are. And, incidentally, I think seeing a man with long hair evokes some of this depth and mystery in people. It frightens most. Happy Easter,
        Robert
        Well said! Happy Easter to you also Robert.
        No way. Jesus had to have existed.
        The question is whether or not he really was/is the Son of God. But there's NO WAY he didn't exist.
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        Nah, there's been lots of people supposed to be dead and resurrected, like Quetzecotal (some Mexican god), Krishna, one of the main characters in the Zoroastrian religion, and 13 others of various religions. Jesus was just another copy cat story; about as reliable as an contemporary oral record of the exploits of Teddy Roosevelt.
        B'leeve it if you like; I find it difficult to do so . . .
        --Tock
        By the way, didn't Teddy Roosevelt have long hair back when he was in the military?
        
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        it doesn't make sense to me either
        
        Mark
        
        ....As if God really cares about the length of humans' hair? We're just people! I find it hard to believe that (as a believer in a God) he really gives a damn about how long our hair is, as long as we are fundamentally good people and we believe in him. If I was God, I sure wouldn't care.
        
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      - Re: Jesus had long hair
        
        longhairedman
        
        The thing to ask these idiots is why they would choose to look like those who murdered Jesus, when they instead could look like Jesus. :-)
        GOOD POINT!!!
        Well said, Bill... For that matter, I have NEVER seen Jesus depicted with short hair and wearing bifurcated garments... :) Which is what most (if not all) fundies would want men to look like. Short hair, and dressed in pants.
        -J
        Of all the churches I have gone to, and all of the icons and crucifixes I've seen, Jesus was depicted with long hair, except when he was a child. I wish these hypocrites would stop telling heresies and face the truth. Even Corinthians doesn't specifically require that men/boys wear their short and women/girls to wear their hair
        long. But, of course, we have to find some way to find a DIFFERENCE BETWEEN the SEXES (right ladies?).
        
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        Re: Jesus had long hair
        
        A. Michelson
        
        The thing to ask these idiots is why they would choose to look like those who murdered Jesus, when they instead could look like Jesus. :-): :GOOD POINT!!!: : Well said, Bill... For that matter, I have NEVER seen Jesus depicted with short hair and wearing bifurcated garments... :) Which is what most (if not all) fundies would want men to look like. Short hair, and dressed in pants.
        -J: Of all the churches I have gone to, and all of the icons and crucifixes I've seen, Jesus was depicted with long hair, except when he was a child. I wish these hypocrites would stop telling heresies and face the truth. Even Corinthians doesn't specifically require that men/boys wear their short and women/girls to wear their hair long. But, of course, we have to find some way to find a DIFFERENCE BETWEEN the SEXES (right ladies?).
        I guess that the only churches with short-hair Jesus are cults such as Jehovah's Witnesses. I have sometimes seen the Jesus child with curly hair.
        
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    - Re: Jesus had long hair
      
      A. Michelson
      
      Watch PBS schedules for "The Face - Jesus in Art". I've seen it several times on the schedule over the past couple of months. It is an exquisitely done documentary, financed by the Catholic and Methodist Churches, among others. It shows beautiful depictions of Jesus over many centuries, and in almost all of them, Jesus has long hair.
      In most of them, He had curly shoulder-blade-length hair, parted in the middle, straighter on top, curlier near the ends.
      Do you mean like King's Kid?
      
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      steve m
      
      Funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Almost scary, the nuts that are out there.
      http://www.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm
      Watch PBS schedules for "The Face - Jesus in Art". I've seen it several times on the schedule over the past couple of months. It is an exquisitely done documentary, financed by the Catholic and Methodist Churches, among others. It shows beautiful depictions of Jesus over many centuries, and in almost all of them, Jesus has long hair.
      In most of them, He had curly shoulder-blade-length hair, parted in the middle, straighter on top, curlier near the ends. His beard was often split into two parts to some extent on either side of His chin. This description of Him was traced to one written down in about 300 A.D. and none earlier in writing has been found.
      One can go all over Europe and see depictions of Jesus in every church, many of them hundreds of years old. Almost all of these depictions have Him with long hair.
      The thing to ask these idiots is why they would choose to look like those who murdered Jesus, when they instead could look like Jesus. :-)
      well the Lord expected Christains to serve under Him in the same image as Him so whats wrong with long hair? I mean the Lord had long hair, so, just saying, men in society should be accepted with long hair and not be discriminated.
      
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    Silverfire
    
    Methinks someone should start a humorous evangelist campaign...I mean, yes, there's the Capmus Crusade for Cthulhu, but we need some REAL Gods...imagine walking up to someone's door in a white kilt, sistrum in one hand, and Siamese cat in the other, and asking the dwellers if they have Heard The Meow Of Bast? The Grunty-noise of Sobek? Or the Fornications of Zeus? I think we polythesisticly minded people have a great oppurtunity for entertainment here!
    
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