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In another post someone suggested braiding at night for a fuller look. Since it is unlikely to braid my hair since I can not grow it long enough due to Wife/Family, it got me thinking on what other hair styles would look good on me with shoulder length hair.
So with the photo attached what recommendations would you have for hair styles with my face and build and hair texture that would look good on me?
I am willing to experiment a bit but I will avoid any style that requires hair dryers, irons, chemicals such as colors or perms and rollers. Trying to avoid any possible damage to hair.
In addition to a style would you recommend for my facial features a side part, a middle part, or a no part? Any other recommendations?
Thanks in advance,
Coram Deo,
Mikhael
Hi Mikhael,
Thanks for posting a picture with such a request as some don't do that which makes it hard to suggest anything.First of all its a shame you would get resistance for letting you hair grow longer.What's the big deal as it's only hair:)Since your hair is straight like it is you could part it differently for a changed look or just brush it all straight back with no part.You could use hair accessories like a bandana to hold your hair back and add some color.I suppose you could tease it up for an unruly wildguy look:)Unfortunately not having it longer does pose limitations to do more.I think you should lobby for at least mid back,then you can really have fun:)Cheers
Mark
Mark,
Thanks for the reply.. haha, Mid-back, I wish! I have done the straight back when putting in a pony-tail which helps get the front hairs in the tail better. I might try a mid-part if that does not look to strange...
Resistance for letting my hair grow longer is because of religious principles. My wife comes from a very ultra-fundamentalist separatist baptist family. Since we have been married we have moved away from that position to a Puritan/Reformed Doctrine which allows for wine/tobacco/dance/etc. With hair that means a number of different things. As fundamentalist which means also dispensational we had to isolated the 1st Corinthians 11 passage from the old testament. As Puritans we confirm 1st Corinthians 11 passage to old testament and vice-versa. So what does not mean, it means we can not isolate the passage dealing with hair length from the rest of scripture. Leviticus 19 tells us that as men we are not to mar the corners of our beards nor round our heads which means that the hair should at least come to the shoulders as Matthew Henry a commentator puts it "Your head should not look like a celestial globe". So with that understanding 1st Corinthians passage dealing with hair length and what is considered short and what is considered long must be held in view of the rest of scriptures.
Now my wife has come a very long way.. She drinks wine now.. :) but she is still stuck on the fundamentalist view short hair means cropped and anything more is considered long and is forbidden. Now I have convinced her very logically from scriptures but of course she still mind-block from 30+ years of rearing and emotionalism plus all the comments we get from her family regarding the matter which can get pretty bad... So she has after much battle given me a concession of allowing shoulder length without her coming in while I am sleeping at night and cutting my hair off... :o
Long hair by my Puritan belief means uncut/ terminal ends of length. So in my belief a women's hair should be at the terminal ends and uncut which 1st Corinthians calls shaven and shorned (cut). So my wife's hair is down to her tail-bone at the moment and my daughters hair is almost to her thigh..
So I do believe that mid-back would be allowable to me but getting that past my wife would be impossible at the moment let alone her crazed father.. ;)
Sorry I am unloading so much theology on you but you asked why. :)
A bandana would not be allowed unless I was doing something like construction work or painting. We believe that a Women's head should remain covered in front of other men and that Men's head should remain uncovered (hats are not head-coverings especially when used during rain or keeping sun out of eyes), As much as I do not like a bandanas as a head-covering which I do not believe it covers what is all suppose to be covered, many ladies in our families and in our churches use bandanas as head-coverings. I did put a bandana on over my hair when working in my crawl-space of my house while working on the foundation and insulating but I still got teased by my wife and my 5 year old daugther... lol
I would like to get a Celtic designed pony-tail holder but that will have to be slowly worked on. In my view jewelry is both for men and women throughout scriptures and I have no problem with it but my wife's family does. They think jewelry is only for women..
Mikhael
Hi Mikhael,
Thanks for that explanation but I think my head is going to explode!LOL.Why does life have to be so damn complicated on such a simple and natural thing as hair.So unfair for your wife to be able to grow hair to her tailbone and the best you are allowed to muster is shoulder length.I think I'd revolt, and god help her if she tried to cut it off while you sleep!You could play that game too!He He.Oh well I wish you the best as at least they caved a little.
Mark
Mark,
At least I can grow my beard to extreme long length without question from my wife.. >:) Especially since it is scriptural. Though, not from her father since he believes that now having a beard is wrong/sin since the 1960s and the movements then, (sin/guilt by association). Again, his fundamentalism which adds to God's law.
I had thought about what I could do to my wife if she ever did cut my hair while sleeping, *chuckling* *pondering* *chuckling*
I will still have to ponder that... LoL
Mikhael
Hitler had a short hairstyle, therefore short hair styles can be associated with Hitler, and through Hitler all of his bigoted beliefs. Therefore it is a sin to have short hair since Hitler rose to power.
Sorry but I couldn't help myself, sin by association is such a silly thing most of the time.
Methinks your wifes father could use some wine ;p
I totally agree.. When I was a teenager I did buy into the argument of "sin by association". Now that I am "wiser" in age and have studied out the Word more I have found it to be a very unbiblical doctrine and is part of what the Pharisee's did during Yeshua's time.
Oh, yeah.. He does need some wine to loosen up... But he will never even taste it since he is such a hyper-prohibitionist. This is one area that we do not talk about with him as not to cause a family blow-up and shunning. It is such a same that he calls something that the bible calls "a joy for man's heart" and turns it into something evil..
Mikhael
On the other hand - you can't grow a Charlie Chaplin mustache without getting upset / disturbed looks. That one man can ruin a cool style .... Grrrr ...
AndrewB
...and that's all I'm going to say.
Here is something on You Tube that may clarify this whole thing about long hair on men and what it says in the bible about it.
Scott
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoeVQFyoa04
Scott,
Thank you for the link.. I had seen that video before.. I mean this in no offense but I have to say that I do not agree with the video at all.
He does at least understand the Tripartite Devision of the Law, Moral, Civil, and Ceremonial which most Christians today do not understand. He also understands that moral law stand unyielding and unchanging but I have to disagree with him regarding Civil and Ceremonial. Civil law are the case laws of the moral laws and they meed out God's penology on wickedness by the hands of his ministerial magistrates. He said that we are no longer under a theocracy but scripture teaches us that we are under a theocracy with Christ reigning over all the Earth and the entire Earth is His theocracy now. So the kingdom has been expanded to all nations and the laws He gave to Israel were a model for all nations.
Then the video moves into Ceremonial law and claims they are completely abrogated. It is true that the outward manifestation of the ceremonies have been superceded by renewed covenant realities. But the substance of those ceremonies stand today as ever before, for example: Incense according to scripture was the outward manifestation of our prayers ascending to heaven. We no longer have the outward manifestation of that type/shadow but prayer the substance still remains. The Ceremonies were the types and shadows of Christ and His work and were needed for a time the church was a child to see Christ in the Temple sacrifices and to see His work of grace. Now as the church has become an adult we no longer need beggarly elements. We see Christ fully without the sacrifices and all His benefits. But the substance of those shadows still remain with us.
Then the video talks about what are considered ceremonial law. This is an area that Modern Christians get into way to much trouble because they want everything abrogated in their minds and start to throw everything into the category of Ceremonial law. But scripture is always plain on what is a ceremony and what it represents, incense/prayer, sacrifices/Christ, musical instruments/praise, temple priest/Christ as High Priest, etc. The outward is superceded by spiritual realities but the substance remains.
So what does hair represent of Christ or any of His work. It doesn't and so it can not be ceremonial law nor has it ever been viewed that way until the 1800s A.D. I might add neither is the beard a ceremonial law.
So I believe with the whole of the history of the church that hair is under the moral law which is a distinctional matter between male/female which is permanent.
So the question then arise, what is long hair, and what is short hair? 1st Corinthians 11 can not settle it alone since it gives no answer to what is considered short and long hair except for the women. It says it is a shame for a women to be shaven or shorned (cut) and if a women does not have either coverings both the natural covering (long hair) and a cloth covering (head-covering) then her head is to be shaven or shorned (cut) to show her shame. So that means long hair is defined as unshaven and unshorned (uncut) and is the terminal ends of the growth of hair.
But what about men and what is considered short hair? Lev. 19 tells us that men are not to mar the corners of his beard nor round the hairs of the head. (So there is such a thing as having to short of hair). Your head should not look rounded nor should it reach the length of women which is the terminal ends. Now there might be grey areas here and those would have to be self-judgment calls.
So what does this mean for me? I believe short hair which is required for men is suppose to be between shoulder length and mid-back. (I promise not to hound anyone here for having longer) :) But that is what I believe scripture teaches to be considered short hair.
Not only can this be proved through the history of the church and church councils (even an ecumenical council) but it can also be proven by paintings and pictures of patristics, reformational, and puritan cameos of ministers, magistrates, and laity down through the centuries.
The problem today is that most churches are now dispensational in theology so they divorce the Renewed Covenant scriptures (New Testament) from the Torah and Prophets (Old Testament) and so they must try to determine the length of hair by their own reasoning apart of scripture since the new testament does not tell us precisely what is considered long/short. But Scripture must interpret Scripture and the reason the New Testament is not so precise is because it has already been given for us in the Torah. The Old Covenant is not the entire Old Testament (which is a name not biblical) but the Old Covenant is the Mosaic Temple with all of it's types and shadow ceremonies through sacrifices and other rituals.
Anyway, all that to say... I believe the end result of the video that men can grow their hair longer is permitted but how the video gets there is another complete story and one I find on shaky ground.
That my reasoning anyway.
Mikhael
Hi Mikhael,
I was raised a Christian Scientist; but for me to try to explain my theological upbringing and to what degree I do/don't adhere to it now without asking you to read the 700-page Christian Science textbook, first, would be pointless to the purpose of this web site.
It's YOUR hair. And your religion, as well as your hair, is YOUR CHOICE to do/believe as you wish. Period.
If you have any further questions about that, then please read my other comments in my reply to you, as well as what I posted in the thread above yours.
No one has the right to dictate what you can/can't do with your own hair on your own head -- not you father-in-law, not your church, not even your wife. And if she ever cut your hair in the middle of the night without your permission, that would be a HUGE break of trust!!!!
End of Sermon!!!!!!!
- Ken in San Francisco
Ken,
I am sorry if I have been offensive in anyway. It was not my intent. I was just explaining the situation in my family and in my own theology.
Your right my father in-law can not tell me what to do (though he has tried) I still have to live peaceably with the man when family gets together. I also must dwell with my wife in understanding.
I apologize for bringing to much theology into it. But that is who I am.. I am a theologian and everything gets tied into theology. In my world view everything must be brought into conformity to theology and not a single thing remains outside. Being a Puritan is as being a Puritan does. :) Most of what I believe and practice would be considered pretty strange to most modern/contemporary people living today though not historically...
Anyway, my entire life is complicated but again that is just who I am..
Again, I apologize....
Mikhael
Hi Mikhael,
I had to give it some thought before replying to you here...
There is no need for you to apologize to me, personally; but it might be helpful to you if I paint a mental picture by using an analogy of a dinner-table (and the discussions that can happen around one).
Similarly to what John B said in his reply to you, bringing up detailed discussions of politics and/or religion is a tricky thing in mixed company. This is a standard, time-honored social rule that is always wise to follow anywhere and pretty much everywhere you go in life. -- unless, of course, we are talking about your own family dinner-table! (In which case... you can call the shots as you wish!)
The Men's Long Hair Hyperboard is kind of like a large, multi-cultural dinner table. We are all guests here at MLHH. We have one definite thing in common: an interest in long hair! Other than that, though, we all come from many different backgrounds and belief systems, religions or non-religions, personal histories, different ethnicities, etc., etc., and so-forth and so-on and blah blah blah...
There's nothing wrong with occasionally going "off-topic" (meaning, discussing topics other than just HAIR here); but, to go on & on in great detail about one's own religion and theological views can, if one is not careful, soon appear to have a counter-intention to it (as in: "Is this person trying to CONVERT me?").
That's called, "hijacking" the board!!
If you were a guest at someone else's dinner table -- let's say, at a Muslim's or a Jew's or an Atheist's dinner table (my favorite sister-in-law is an Atheist, for example) -- you would need to be respectful of who's home you we sitting and talking in, and not speak in such a way as to stir up too much controversy... unless, of course, you don't mind risking being maybe ushered out the door!
The same goes here at MLHH. We are all guests here (myself included). Although I have occasionally enjoyed moments of "misbehaving" here [wink wink], I know that I can't go TOO FAR OUT THERE into some far-flung tangent or another -- because if I do, the Moderators will have to reign me in then.
This little spot on the Internet is our big opportunity to have a lot "dinner table" discussions on the topic of long hair on men. That's our primary purpose, and a wonderful and acceptable reason to stay focussed on that topic.
... I hope this analogy has helped!
- Ken
Ah, so hair isn't being singled out; theology applies to everything.
So what does theology say about the length of our toenails?
Bill
God doesn't care how long your friggin' hair is. The truth be known, other people don't care either, except for control freaks. It only took me about fifty years to figure that out.
I have about fifty bandannas, and none of them give a damn what I am doing while I am wearing them. Well, they don't like me to get paint on them because it won't wash out, and that means they will go into the fireplace. They do not like the fireplace.
In the Ozarks where I grew up, we called putting up with that "being henpecked".
You don't have to wear your wedding ring? Hey, that chick ain't ALL bad!
Bill
My best recommendation is to enjoy the journey of finding your own way -- whatever you feel works best for YOU, whatever makes YOU happiest. After all, it's your own hair on your own head!
Personally, I think the pic that you shared with us looks just great as is. You have a very unique look (which is a GOOD thing)!
If you feel like trying a center part someday, give it a try in the mirror first. If you think it looks good, go ahead and wear it that new way out in public then... "Variety is the spice of life!", as the saying goes. Occasionally the wind will ruin your part, anyway -- and that's one of the fun aspects of having long hair, the fact that you have to let go of always worrying about trying to control it (because long hair will do its own thing, anyway, regardless of whatever plans you originally had for it).
One of the blessings of growing one's hair out is that besides the obvious growth that happens on the outside of your body, is the discovery of much emotional, psychological, and spiritual growth happening on the INSIDE of you.... You will gradually grow as a person -- including learning how to stand tall and not cave in to others' unfair and/or narrow-minded demands upon you.... In other words, you will become freer to think for yourself, to move forward in making whatever decisions you feel are most right for you under your particular set of circumstances (regardless of whatever outside criticism or pressure exists from friends or family to do otherwise).
This internal growth is just as gradual as the slow external growth of your own hair; but rest assured, both will indeed happen...
In the words of poet Lassie Benton, "And the day came when the risk to remain closed in a bud, became more painful than the risk it took to blossom."
Have fun in the adventure of learning how to blossom on your longhaired journey!
- Ken in San Francisco
Hi Mikhael,
You hair looks great at the moment and of course I do respect you for your views and what you believe in. For me I decided after having short hair wanted it long and after 10 years I've never looked back. You have to do what is right for yourself at whatever length you decide to keep your hair.
I thing I know to well is not to talk about politics or religion down the pub as that can cause some anguish.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Cheers,
John.B
Wow, this thread turned out to be quite the romp! I'd like to get back to the original question - what are some good shoulder length hairstyles? A friend wants to know :p (mine is shoulder length). I think it is more than a simple question of parting on the side or the middle.
My hair is mercilessly dry, thin, and flyaway, probably because of years of misuse due to ignorance about to how care for it properly. Thanks to this board that is going to change, but in the meanwhile, what to do?
I've tried using a flatiron (I think that is the right term) to curl it in at the ends and this does solve the frizziness a bit but also gives it a rather coiffed, feminine look - which isn't all bad. I also worry about damage from the heat.
I generally brush my hair straight back after showering (but not after today, thanks to this board) and then push it forward with my hands to create a little lift. This does succeed in keeping it from becoming completely flat as it dries but not by much.
It seems nothing I can do really gives it body AND reduces the frizziness. I'd very much appreciate others' experience and advice with this.
Thanks,
George