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From my own personal experience I have felt the most comfortable around women within the Metal and Goth communities and least comfortable around mainstream "society" yuppie types and that is probably because those who I am uncomfortable around aren't comfortable around me.
I think probably the reason is that most Metal and Goth ladies are more attracted to Men like us is because they are outside the norm themselves and were either considered outsiders when they were in high-school and/or still probably view themselves that way to some extent.
what experiences have you guys had with women of different subcultures and backgrounds?
what type of women did you feel the most comfortable around? least comfortable?
I feel the most comfortable around ANY woman who accepts me for what I am, regardless of what culture or subculture they may belong to.
But yes, those women do - by and large - tend to be "artsy" types, whether that fits the old-fashioned "Bohemian" definition or more modern goth or metal.
I mix with a goth/metal crowd so my hair is unquestioned there. But a family friend is an older lady who has praised my hair and who has "Bohemian" tastes but would certainly NOT be goth or metal.
My current g/f however is more of your "mainstream yuppie" type. She affects to like my hair but she would probably really be delighted if I cut it short.
But I feel totally comfortable around her - because I couldn't actually give a **** how she likes my hair! :)
Damon
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It is cool if you have a girlfriend that looks is a Rachel Riley type, but doesn't pressure you to cut your hair and has accepted you for having long hair.
I have dated women with short hair but most are Rocker types.
the ones who tend to experiment with colour alot. ;-)
stand firm if she ever even hints at a trim because once you trim it they will actually try to suggest a real haircut later on.
I know guys who went from shoulder to mid-back length hair to a short above the ears 'yuppie' style within three years or less all because of their girlfriend or wife.
No worries. The moment she tries to insist I change, she walks! ;)
She's been cool so far. I don't mind *suggestions*. That's fine - shows an interest in the other person. I'm cool with that. But the moment it changes to *insistence*, it becomes possessive and that's a no-no.
Perversely, I find short hair on girls a turn-on. Go figure! But I wouldn't insist that she cuts it.
Damon
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Me too!
any specific famous women that you've seen with short hair that you liked?
Agyness Deyn (pictured) and Emma Watson would be difficult to DISlike! ;)
Damon
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For me, one of my faves is Keira Knightley.
Love Her Bob style!
Many women have commented how much they like my hair. So any woman who likes long hair or even shoulder length hair is okay with me in any culture. Many from India like long hair and are repulsed how their sons are forced to cut off their hair in America (by certain facade corporations). Stay away from hair-hacking Delilahs - it's a control thing with them. In fact some women are even hair-hackers with their own hair - I would stay away from these.
All cultures originally wore long hair in the past. But over time, the mark (short hair) of tyranny moves in. For more info see my book, Our LONG HAIRitage - there's a link to it on this site. But the hair-hacking has been exported worldwide. SO it's a mixed bag in many places. But the most brutal hair-hackers seem to be in Turkey, Iran - so any women from there, ask then first.
Girls like Our LONG HAIRitage
In the lion kingdom it is the Male who has the longest mane while the female possesses a short mane.
why can't it be that way for humans? why must it be the Men who are pressured by employers and society to have short hair and not the women who are always the ones who are entitled to have the longest manes? things are completely upside down imho!
I think we Men need to assert our right to reclaim our long lost place as the long haired sex!
There is no "long haired sex." Hair length, biophysically, is not gender biased. Humans have evolved as a long-haired species.
--Val
True, but it would be a nice change to see all the Men with long hair instead of short crops and buzzed/shaved heads to be the ones with longer hair.
the majority of women already have longer hair and have worn it that way for many years so it would be a radical change for them to go short or super-short. only a small percentage currently do.
I may be in the minority here, but I sure would not mind Men and women swapping hair lengths with the guys having mid-back on average and the women sporting short pixie crops. I know at least one other person on this site would probably like that concept! ;-)
I am by no means a goth/metal head woman but I personally think there are not enough men with long hair in this world. I grew up around men with long hair my entire life and I find that they are more open minded than men with shorter hair. I also think it looks a lot better long. My best friend thinks I am crazy. My ex had hair longer than mine but there is just something about the long hair that some women love. I notice with women long hair on a man is either a must or a must not. There really isn't much in between.
Nothing against goth and Metal women(They are very cool!), but I am so glad to hear from some other women out there who prefer long hair on Men.
just one question if you don't mind asking.
do you currently wear long or short hair(not that it matters), but I was having this conversation with another poster and found out I'm not the only guy that likes to see the opposite sex with shorter hair than myself. I still like long hair on women too, but it's not a criteria imho and I would much rather prefer to see a lot more Men with long hair than women since long haired women are currently in the majority.
I just am wondering if there are a lot of short haired ladies out there who prefer the guys with the long manes over the short closely cropped and shaved ones.
I hope so! ;-)
Its currently slightly past my shoulders but I often cut it all off. I get bored with my hair easily. Considering going back to my short style soon.
Personally long hair on a man is not just a preference for me but a requirement lol. I just have never been attracted to men with short hair. I don't even date anymore because there are not enough long haired men where I live lol. When my ex husband cut all his off I cried for days I was so devastated. (his hair was not the reason for the divorce BTW)
My ex had hair longer than mine but there is just something about the long hair that some women love.
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But here is my observation.
Most women with long hair these days, have it shoulder length, if that.
Mostly teen/high school girls have mid-back hair or longer.
Once a girl is past 25 and enters the "real world", they trim it to shoulders, if that.
So when you say that your guy had longer hair than you, it would not be that difficult. LOL
Being a guy with waist length hair, it seems to be a challenge to find women who have hair my length or longer. Not that it matters much to me, but it most likely matters a lot to women.
So I've come to believe that whenever a woman mentions that she loves guys with long hair, I conclude that she must mean, "emo/shaggy" hair.
Because the general consensus I get from the interwebs is that, shoulder length hair is the max that guys can have it and "look good", and after that, it is just gross.
When I say he had hair longer than mine I mean he had to be careful not to sit on it.
Jessica, I meant to ask you when you said you "chopped" your hair off, how short were you talking about?
actually it generally falls to the chest, but does not cover the breasts
true, but many do get shorter edgy styles too.
that used to be the case 20 years ago, but no so much anymore
Why bother? I am content to have a woman with shorter hair than myself even a Pixie cut just as long as she is supportive of my right to have long hair(being shoulder length or longer)
This video will verify it.
only one of these contestants has shoulder length hair. the others have about mid-back including Miss South Carolina, who probably would prefer the guy with the short hair over one of us.
Miss South Carolina
I agree completely. Then again I'm part of that group anyway, I always found any rock chick to be much more comfortable with the hair (although I'm still pretty sure my game is solely because of my hair)
But anyway, I think in general I'm just more comfortable around women more than men too.
I love how my long hair has weeded out women that I wouldn't be interested in anyway.
I do not like short hair on women, though. I accept that it's rare to find women who would have my preferred length on them (classic) but I appreciate efforts made to wear it longer than they might have otherwise.
Well, I do on the right face, but I would never pressure a woman to cut her hair ,but if she asked me if I liked her with short hair and it looked good on her I would tell her so.
when a woman cuts her hair it is not because of peer pressure or for employment reasons it is because she is bold and wants to be different and not conform to what the majority of women are doing.
when a Man cuts his hair short it's to conform. there lies the difference.
now, if you were approached by two woman, one shoulder to mid-back length hair who said "you're a nice guy, but I don't like long hair on Men, but if you got it cut short I would go consider going out with you" and the other with a close cropped edgy style who said "I like your hair. it looks cool and I would like to get together sometime" would you still think the same way about the short haired woman and the long haired one?
from my experience most women with long hair do not like guys with long hair, but the ones with the short edgy cuts might be a little more inclined to consider having a long haired dude for a boyfriend.
if most women , who happen to have long hair did prefer Men with longer hair than most Men would probably have long hair today.
it's not always for employment reasons when I guy cuts his hair short. sometimes it's for the opposite sex.
it's something to think about.
I think that probably half of women with really long hair (significantly longer than shoulder length) actually just like long hair, regardless, and like it on guys too.
The key concept is that for both genders there is a range of hair length that is considered to be conventional, with a minimum and a maximum. It just isn't the same range for both. Because of this, a woman whose hair falls within conventional limits would be considered to have long hair, and a man with conventional length hair would be considered to have short hair.
BUT, this doesn't mean that either male buzzcuts or female hair longer than mid back are conventional. Neither of them are, even if the former is temporarily popular for reasons that I will never be able to understand. Either gender can be out of the norm at either end of the range, although it appears that you have to be male for anyone to think it is anything more than a harmless fashion choice.
She would probably tell you something like this:
"I personally believe that women should have long hair and Men
should have short hair and even though you are a nice guy I don't
like seeing long hair on you or any other Man and maybe if more Men got haircuts like over there in Asia and Africa and Iraq and maybe we could tell them to cut our hair and duh......." lol
Personally I have never been attracted to or generally gotten along with conservative women as I find them boring and having hangups. I do personally think long hair generally looks great on both men and women and girls with short hair I find less appealing. However personality and what is inside will win hands down over outside appearance in the long term. I prefer the company of non-mainstream women.
Saw that video clip of the beauty pageant. I have a question.
Isn't Miss South Carolina the same girl who put that pompous windbag Perez Hilton in his place when he asked her that politically motivated question on homosexual "marriage" ? And gave an answer that he didn't like!
cheers,
Duncan
Certainly women with short hair under 40 years of age are in a minority and probably less influenced by the dictates of mainstream fashion. A friend of mine is an artist who wears cropped hair which she finds easier to look after as she works a lot with paints and her hair when long was very thick and frizzy. Still she is an attractive women and I think the majority of women wear their hair long from social pressure. We men are generally encouraged by the mainstream culture to wear our hair short not long.
Duncan
No, that was Miss California, Carrie Prejean
I don't watch those things, but it was all over the news for some time so you could not avoid hearing about it.
One big issue: where you live makes a huge difference in the frequency of long hair as well as the attitudes about long hair.
Where I live, there are multiple cultures where long hair is common among women and men, where diversity is not only accepted, but celebrated. It is nice to be where the fact of your long hair is unremarkable because you aren't that uncommon.
I get along well enough with people as long as they aren't from a community or cultural group that is heavily focused on image and conformity. The communities I tend to hang around are performing arts, outdoorsy, geeky, or academic...all of which are more focused on what you do rather than what you look like.
Of course, I'm quite happy that people for whom I am out of their comfort zone stay away from me.
All of my girlfriends and female friends have been positive to very positive about my hair...but then I've never mixed with or (tried to be) involved with appearance focused communities.
California is completely different than the rest of the U.S.
it is a very tolerant state overall.
like I stated above.......
Sometimes it's unavoidable though especially in a work situation.
much of this has to do with a combination of factors
including the hairstyling industry which tends to work with both long,medium, and short hairstyles on women while limiting Men to mostly medium to short to ultra short haircuts.(check out sites such as hairfinder.com to see the differences)
the industry's concept of "long hairstyles" on Men is not the same as the members on this board.
what they consider "Long hair" is what we all would consider a shaggy length "Longish" style which comes to about chin length, if that.
corporations have been pushing the "short hair is more professional" on Men for years. the definition of short hair on Men during the 1970s was long enough to cover the ears(think Brady bunch length). Tom Brokaw`s hair even covered his ears back then.
many so-called "stylists" today consider that long hair now(I kid you not!), but as it applies to a woman it is considered short by definition.
why is it that what is considered Short hair(bob length) on a woman is considered Long hair on a Man?
personally, I think the definition of long , medium, and short hair should be the same regardless of sex.
I also think rules in the workplace regarding hairstyles should be treated equally regardless of sex. there should be no gender based discrimination based on hair length, however long or short.
if women are allowed to wear long hair in the workplace, Men should be entitled to the same right.
if a man has a buzzcut and a woman wants to get one, she should be accorded the same right.
there will always be people who don't like long hair on Men or short crops on women, but gender discrimination based on hair length has got to end!
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