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Hello Friends
My hair is medium size for boys hair. In the front it come till middle
of my nose and in the back till middle of my neck. on the side it
fall over my ears - but do not completely cover my ears.
I cannot grow my hair longer than this because of rule in workplace.
I am straight guy, but i love to decorate my hair with pins, headbands ... etc. sometime when i am alone at home i part my hair in the middle and wear clips on both
sides near forehead. sometime i also use colourfull headbands with
teeth. but i am getting tired of these 2 style and would like to explore more feminine style. i wish i could grow my hair more to wear 2 ponytaila and tie them with pretty ribbon.
since i cannot grow my hair longer than this... do you guys and girls have any ideas of what i coould do with my hair.
sometime when my girlfriend is not around i also try to wear her skirt-blouse. i feel it give expression to my female side. is it wrong for straight male to want to feel like a girl sometime?
i would also like to know what girls think on this subject. can girls accept their boyfreind who want to experience fis female side. also do you have any more ideas (besides wearing skirts and clips) to experience the female side? i hope you folk dont mind me sharing my thought on this board.
thankyou
wang
Wang: You might be interested in this web site, that is a newsgroup that discusses issues that you bring up, like men exploring a feminine side of themselves. You should read the good introduction to the site written by the webmaster Chris, and then read the posts and post yourself! Good luck! Here is the site:
http://www.itsnet.com/~grevstad/wwwboard/wwwboard.shtml
Hey Wang,
I understand what you mean. I love it when my girlfriend puts hair clips (especially pretty ones)and ribbons in my hair. I too like to feel feminine at times. Sometimes my girlfriend dresses me up in one of her dresses. However she has told me quite bluntly never to leave home in dresses or with my hair made up - she thinks I look very femme and that we would look like 2 girlfriends going out together. If I really want to keep the pins in my hair when I am out, I always wear a cap to hide them. Well even if she did allow me to leave home dressed up, I dont think I'd have the courage to go out wearing a skirt.
Infact one of the reasons why I am growing my hair is that it lets me experience my feminine side.
Hmmm! I wonder. Maybe the women on this board can help with that.
You go guys! Ithink that it shows that a man is truly confident about himself when he is able to be able to explore there feminine side.
It is so cool when my boyfriend and i can go out club hopping with the same hair style (pony tails with glitter in our hair).
You go guys! Ithink that it shows that a man is truly confident about himself when he is able to be able to explore there feminine side.
It is so cool when my boyfriend and i can go out club hopping with the same hair style (pony tails with glitter in our hair).
Simple answer to your question: Obviously, you are a transvestite. Did you really think this was a tough question?
the post you're responding to may well be a ploy to evoke a reaction like yours. if you find a post to be in poor taste then don't dignify it by responding. whether or not it's legitimate, it IS questionable whether cross-dressing and fetish posts are on topic here. the best way to deal with them is to allow the webmaster to delete posts & threads that are off-topic.
my understanding (or MISunderstanding) of this board is that it's a support and discussion forum for issues dealing with long hair on men. my opinion (like yours, apparently) is that all the 'girly hair' posts belong elsewhere, but that's merely my (our) opinion... there are those who consider long hair to be a feminine trait and all us longhairs to be transvestites- so the line blurs.
I guess you are right, this discussion does go into the territory of
transvestisism. But then on the other hand there has been discussion about skirts and femme hairstyles etc on this board, so maybe it's not that off-subject. And anyway arent we supposed to be tolerable people.
Well thats just my opinion, if most people dont like such posts then maybe the web master will delete it. On the other hand maybe we can give wang answers to his questions - I'm sure he'd appreciate it.
Im amazed in that there seems to be those here that think this is a narrow subject field."long Hair on males" now you seem to want to have the web master determine if responces and or comments are applicable to this site. Is Big Brother here on the web too ?
maybe a pretext to what comments and what questions can be asked is
needed, or maybe it's time to open a new Board where your questions and responces are not scrutinized ,just responded to......
it is not a question whether we 'want' the webmaster to screen post for appropriateness; it is whether or not the post in question is germaine to to topic- long hair on men. in my OPINION, mr 'wang' is venturing into the topic of transvestites which i do not interperet as being on topic. notice that i am allowing myself the possibility of being incorrect.
if you have followed this board for any length of time you may have noted a couple things... one, the webmaster, victor, has expressed a desire that discussions not only remain on topic, but also be kept family friendly. two, there are those who do not keep to the topic and/or post messages that are highly inappropriate for 'family' viewing. if some people didn't routinely abuse posting privileges and use offensive language and imagery we wouldn't need someone to act as 'big brother' would we? your 'anything goes' attitude about posting would draw alot of unwelcome scrutiny to this forum? besides, right or wrong; lumping together long hair with alternative (deviant?) lifestyle issues will deal the cause against (mens) long hair discrimination a major setback.
if you see the need to set up an 'anything goes' message board- by all means set one up.
I simply see this whole discussion of being "on topic" as being another part of the hypocrisy of a bunch of longhaired straight men who want to have their own deviance (yes, deviance) reinforced, while not being tolerant of diversity among others. It's part of a whole mindset of using long hair to singularize oneself and put forth a social/political agenda of bucking the system. Nonconformity is ok for them, but it really doesn't apply universally. Most of them will probably wind up cutting their hair for the right material incentive anyway.
If you don't want yours kids seeing things on the net, watch what they do. I am sick and tired of a culture of young breeders who think it is incumbent upon society to support them in the choice they made to pop out a few offspring.
If you are not willing to offer tolerance and support for other deviants, like yourselves, just grow up, get a haircut, and be the bunch of milktoast straight white boys that you are underneath anyway.
hmmm... struck a nerve, did i? so you think this ought to be a transvestite board- eh? you choose to interperet what i wrote as judgement and intolerance of those who choose to cross-dress. i assure you that i intended nothing of the kind, but that's no matter; you're going to think that anyway.... i couldn't care less what you think of me.
what i was ATTEMPTING to say, was that i don't BELIEVE that this is the correct forum to discuss cross-dressing.; if you think that makes me an intolerant ignorant hippocrite, then go ahead and think it. you clearly have lumped the two practices (wearing long hair and cross dressing) together; so arguing the point further is of little value considering how defensive you seem to be. you certainly have a right to your opinion- whether it's right or wrong. you aren't going to dissuade me from my point of view; and i'm not going to move you from yours... so continuing this thread for the sake of personal attacks will accomplish nothing.
FYI, I am not a crossdresser (although it would not chat my point if I were). I was pointing out that this is a men's long hair board, and a man's long hair can have alot more meaning and significance than that which you seem to have narrowly defined.
Uncle . I give ,you are as well allowed an opinion< i perhaps got move offended to the comment of allowing the web master over seeing the comments. I obviousely over stated my case and will sit quietly and peruse the new missives.
Ok maybe I will comment once in a while.
To the very fact, I think the guy or whoever tries to be someone like that is having some id Crisis. Having/supporting long hair on Man is harmless, but all things begin with trying out with skirts (isn't skirts/tight pants for Ladies??)
Hey Wang,
I don't feel there is anything wrong with your exploration of your feminine side. I don't have any ideas with what more you could do with your hair. Once I saw a well-known gangsta rapper wearing his hair in two ponytails with barrettes on the ends -- and you can't get more macho than this guy. I hope one day our society lightens up regarding men wanting to wear female clothes -- I mean hey, most female clothes are very masculine these days and most of the rest are just butt ugly, that's just my opinion. I dress sort of in-between and my boyfriend is buying me all these tight dresses. Be blessed that your girlfriend is open to allowing you to do so. Not many men get that kind of support. Explore away, dude.
Anxiously awaiting another creative expressive period like the 60s (unfortunately, I was too young to remember them),
Chaeya
Hi Chaeya
Thank you for support. I agree with you, I too wish that society would become open to men with feminine hair style. I know so many women who like to wear their hair short like men. Some even always like to dress in Jeans and Shirt. But normally nobody says that is wrong. But when a man wants to wear feminine hair style or skirt, then people do not like it. When I wear skirt or pins in my hair, I feel that I am exploring a side of me that I did not know before.
Thank you again.
wang
Ok, you asked for a womans perspective, so here it is. Just as there is often a great deal of confusion about where the line is drawn between a woman being constructively assertive as opposed to being a bitch, it seems you guys are confusing the notion of "accessing your feminine side" with gender role problems and crossdressing. Now, don't get me wrong, I believe that consenting adults should be able to do whatever they like as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, and it matters not a whit to me that you like to crossdress, but please don't confuse that with wanting to get more in touch with your caring, nurturing, tender side, its just not the same thing. When my husband tenderly, thoughtfully cradles his child in his arms, when he takes the time to remember special days, when he surprises me with an especially loving gesture, when he, well, just is his usual sweet self, he's expressing his mastery over the alleged aggressiveness of being "male" and displaying how wonderful it can be when people behave as human beings first rather than acting out traditional stereotypical gender roles. As far as his long hair goes, well, and again I'm not attacking anyone here, but it seems that there are two camps, those who grow their hair long to better accessorize the costume of their weekend crossdressing, and those who grow their hair long as a potent, everpresent symbol of their complete and total virility. As a woman I am completely uninterested in the former and breathlessly weak kneed at the latter. If my husband expressed a desire to start wearing my barrettes to work, I'd be, well, amused because I would know he was just being funny.
Pursuing this issue illustrates that even among "longhairs" there is often a misguided notion that such length makes one "more feminine". It seems to me that for some men, no amount of hair can ever obscure the very real, potent power of their masculinity, while for others, their inherent gender confusion is only heightened by their having long hair. (By the way wang, and I don't mean to insult you with this, but neck length hair is quite short, not even close to longhair catagory anyway, so your very personal issues really are gender rather than hair related anyway.)
Just MHO, be careful what you ask for, you just might get it!
Very best wishes to all,
Dawn
Oh, come on. There is NO WAY that wearing skirts and blouses, wanting to "feel like a girl sometime," wearing "clips on both sides" of the head, or wearing "pretty ribbons" is normal masculine behavior. Certainly, I understand and am tolerant about long hair. My original point, however, was that these things Wang is referring to are related to transvestism, NOT long hair. There is no way around this. If that's what he is into, it's his business. I just wish he would go to the transvestite board.
Hi Wang,
I hope you are still reading this. As a woman, I agree with Sandy that men who wear ribons, feminine hairstyles, skirts etc. show a lot of confedence and shows that they are men who are not afraid to be in touch with their feminine side. I go to a fairly liberal school wher lots of guys wear skirts, scruncies, nail polish, etc. They do not look like travsvestites. To me, a transvestite is a man who wears highheels, pantyhose, dresses, wigs, and makeup: A man that is trying to look like a woman.
It is rediculous that some people are saying that feminine hairstyles make a man a transvestite but long hair doesn't. Long hair IS a feminine hairstyle, but there is nothing wrong with that. Feminine guys can be very beautiful. There is a great article in this month's issue of the Women's magazine 'Harpers Bazaar'. It explains that the most some of today's most popular male models, actors, and musicians are the ones who look somewhat feminine. Hope this helps.
Oh stop it! Only little girls are interested in men (and I use the term loosely because judging by the posts some of the writers are referring to young boys still in school, not grown men) that they can dress up like their pseudo barbie dolls. Long hair, in and of itself is not by any means feminine and in fact, on the right men, is the height of true masculinity. Wearing nail polish, skirts (unless you happen to be some Scottish highlander out for a formal affair, which is the ONLY time a man should be found in a skirt for heavens sake, and definately not as one poster put it a while back because you love your tight mini skirt the very best,) bows and ribbons and other outlandish attire is a cry for attention, an act of rebellion, and potentially many other things but it is NOT a means to "get in touch with your feminine side". As I pointed out before, many of these posts display a deep seated misunderstanding of the nature of healthy gender roles. I'm not talkig about the standard, me Tarzan, you Jane kind of roles, I'm talking about when people come together as human beings first with a comfortable and clear sense of what it means to be adult men and women.
Mercy on the children of some of you who are sure to grow up dangerously confused about what it takes to enjoy the profoundly moving and spiritual aspects of man and woman as true partners.
Very best wishes to all,
Dawn
Long hair is feminine because it is something that in this society is mainly worn by, and asociated with, women. That is what the word feminine means. When women first started to get in touch with their 'masculine' side in the 60's was the same time that women started to wear pants, shoter hair sometimes, etc. Coincedence? I don't think so. So it only makes sence that as men become more and more comfortable expressing their feminine side, their apearance will change also. Changes it fashion always reflect changes in society. It is interesting that you mention the effect that this will have on children because I've always felt that the a big danger in raising childeren is raising kids with gender roles that are too narrow, not too broad. I think that is what leads kids to grow up into the 'Me Tarzan, you Jane' mentality that I still see so much today.
Serena,
thanks for expressing your point of view. I agree with you. I am a guy and I love to venture into feminine exploration. I have a bob hairstyle ad I love it. I also like to use barrettes, headbands, and other accessories to compliment my hair. It isn't that it is a feminine thing thought, to some it is just trying to look more beautiful and enhance thier looks. Women are allowed to improve their looks and cover their flaws with makeup and hair accessories so why cna't guys do that too? Also, you are right on when stating that if women wear suits (millions do with ties), chop off their hair (bilions have done this), and stick a cigar in their mouth (hundreds of thousands do this) and say that they are exploring their masculine side most people would be glad to have them as a girlfriend and many men find this sexy, but if men go the other direction the attitude and responses are totally different. That is wrong. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Please allow us guys that want to look better and even feminine have that freedom without hassle. Women do it everyday and I think that guys should be allowed the same freedoms in fashion, hairstyles, and makeup that girls have. Girls have invaded the guys' domain so let the guys that choose to into yours.
Sorry, I commented once, but seeing some of the high emotions going on here, I feel wont to comment again.
I know we are off the subject of long hair here, but I feel a vital point sticking me in my butt. Ouch. I think there are some major misconceptions going on here regarding the issue of "exploring feminine sides" and "transvestitism." We are talking apples and oranges here.
I believe Bill and some others expressed in other posts that long hair means different things to different people and I'm sure that many men on this board are growing their hair for different reasons and I'm sure that there are some guys on this board that are like Wang growing their hair feeling it is an expression of femininity. I agree that long hair does NOT denote femininity per se, but we must remember the times we live in and that to most of the masses, long hair is equated with the female gender.
As far as dressing little boys up in ribbons and such, I don't agree as I feel that is something for them to decide when they become old enough to make conscious choices. Whether it was done 100 years ago or what, I don't think it wise to put a little boy through that in today's society. Long hair in itself would suffice in making any statements.
Wang I believe is bringing up a vital subject in our society and whether we agree with his way of carrying it out or not, I commend him for being open about it. To him, wearing his girlfriend's clothes makes him feel as though he is touching the feminine spirit. The majority men I know wouldn't dare such a thing. Perhaps as time passes and he grows he will come to find other ways to explore this road, but for him, it begins with the clothing and the hair.
My Aquarian nature is standing because of the injustice of what I'm hearing in some of the posts. I see women every day becoming more and more manly in today's society and in the media. If a woman donned a man's suit, stuck a cigar in her mouth, whacked her hair off and said she was exploring her male side - I'm sure there would be some male protest, but most women would slap her on the back and say good for her and support her. If a guy dons a skirt and grows his hair down his back saying he's exploring his feminie side, society would lose their mind and say he's some sort of pervert.
I guess I'm sticking up for Wang because I feel perhaps he and I are comrades in some sort of way as I feel I have explored my own masculine side through fashion and fashion is very important to me. I believe that in today's times, we are merging into one another and I believe there are more men like Wang out there than you could believe though there are a significant amount of men who are scared to even think it.
If we want people to accept us for who we are as well as the choices we make then we must learn to also not judge other people just because they're doing something that seems outlandish to us.
Trippin' into the future,
Chaeya
Hair is hair, cloth is cloth, make-up is make-up, etc... It's the personality that makes the wearing (or not) of these things masculine or feminine. People who get "hung-up" on "proper attire" have, well, "hang-ups." Societal assumptions of what men and women should wear is ludicrous. Dress how you want, wear what you want, no matter your physical gender. It's what's inside that's truly important and determines how others perceive you. Why give up yourself to being how others "think" you should be? The important things are living, loving and learning. Do those and no one can fault you for anything else.
Hi Serena
Thank you for support. Even I think that men who wear skirt etc do not look like transvestites. I have no desire wear make up etc. I do not even dress up and go out. I think I wear women hair style, skirt etc because it make me feel nice at time. Once again thank you for support, it is nice to know that there are people who are understanding.
wang