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We recently have had a visit from particular opinionated headstrong individual (who shall remain nameless). His basic point was that the vast majority of men have short hair, therefore the vast majority of men WANT short hair, and that's the way it SHOULD be.
Hey, the vast majority of us work for a living too but we'd quit our jobs in seconds if we won the lottery.
Personally, I feel most men have short hair because they think it's REQUIRED, social pressures, jobs, etc. I strongly Believe the natural tendency is for men to grow their hair long and would do it if they weren't scared of the repercussions. Obviously, some guys don't want the maintenance, some don't have that much or the right hair to wear long but I'm speaking in general.
In fact, I would venture to guess that at least half the men out there would have at least shoulder length hair if they could get away with it. I've had plenty of buddys come up to me saying they wish they could get away with long hair like me.
Also, I don't think women really despise long hair on men either. Once again, If you're a guy with NEAT, CLEAN, WELL-KEPT long hair, I'd say at least half the women would probably prefer it. Sheesh, the girls I date can't keep their hands out of mine!
What do you all think? Am I insane?
Doc
God help us all if we weren't just a tad insane, Doc.
When I first grew my hair into a pony tail a couple of years back in order to hide a nasty surgical scar, my wife's friends were all jealous and expressed a longing for their own husbands to let their hair grow (in some cases, to let it grow back to the length it was when they met). The longer it gets, the more compliments I hear from them.
I'm not the only "longhair" at the PTA meetings, or in the express lane at the local IGA, or at Scout meetings with my son. I was walking my dog one night and a police car pulled up alongside of me, and the cop rolled down the window and started yelling something at me. When I turned, he stopped yelling and said, "Sorry, sir. From the back you look just like my brother."
These are just a few of my experiences; I like reading others' as well, so keep 'em coming!
I am in complete agreement with you, Doc -- especially the part about winning the lottery!
Hey PonyGuy,
I'm sorry about your surgery. I hope things went well for you though and I'm glad it gave you the opportunity to give long hair a shot. Great stories too! I've tried the whole hair gamut including shaved bald (stupid me, just being trendy at the dawn of Punk Rock). I've always loved long hair though, especially on WOMEN, and I prefer it on myself as well. I feel much more comfortable with it. I doubt I'll ever cut it much past my shoulders again. LONG HAIR IS GREAT!
How does your son feel about your hair? I don't have children yet but I'm really looking forward to it when I meet the right girl. I will start my kids out with long hair, but of course I'll allow them to cut it if they are unhappy. I just hope they choose to keep it long.
RE: SHORT HAIRED KOOKS ON THIS BOARD
Along time ago, didn't they used to shave idiots' heads as a matter of course? Nice to see things haven't changed all that much.....
Are you nuts? Just because YOU have long hair, don't deluded yourself into thinking all men secretly want long hair, and would have it "if only they could."
The reality is that men LIKE short hair. It's easier, it looks better and it's more masculine. All the rationalization in the world won't change that fact!
Then why are you reading the postings at this site? It's called the LONGHAIR hyperboard, right? If most men want short hair, as you claim, then why do you feel so insecure about it that you have to scream at us?
And the trend is definitely toward longhair. I travel all over the U.S., and a year ago I was pretty bummed that there weren't more guys with long hair, but now it seems like there are ponytails everywhere.
As far as liking short hair, you know as well as everyone else that most men actually don't THINK about the length of their hair. They, like you, just blindly follow society's conventions and willingly accept the short hair "norm." Jut be ready to grow a ponytail in a few years when that becomes the norm -- if you can!
Chuck,
I know you get a rise out of raising the HAIR on this board...sorry, just couldn't resist that.
I'm not cutting my hair anytime soon, however I'm willing to listen to your opinion. In fact, I'd like a little more information if you'd care to answer. I'm not putting you on the spot or trying to make fun of you, I'm just interested.
A few questions:
-What is so GREAT about having short hair as a man besides the convinience? Convince me. Do you feel more manly with short hair, just look better, or what? I think that's what you're saying, do I have it right?
-Many women have very short hair, especially older ones. Do you think it makes them look like men, old, makes their butts look fatter? (I do), or actually better? Would you prefer girls to have long hair, or do you feel they are entitled to the option? Maybe you think everyone looks better with short hair? If so, why?
-In highschool I had BEAUTIFUL long golden blonde hair, hung past my shoulders under my football helmet. Our crewcut wearing coach actually talked me out of cutting it when the rest of the team shaved their heads! But, since then, I did shaved my head (more than once), had mohawks, buzzcuts, and as a working stiff I did the corporate Ken-Doll look for YEARS. So I've tried short hair several times. Have you ever had long hair? Would you ever want to give it a shot? Would your buddies turn their backs on you, backstab you or would they really even care?
Take it easy Chuck
Doc
My replies --
Q: What is so GREAT about having short hair as a man besides the convinience? Convince me. Do you feel more manly with short hair, just look better, or what? I think that's what you're saying, do I have it right?
A: I think short hair looks better. In general, it looks neater and cleaner. It looks more adult, more mature. It looks better groomed. It doesn't shout "Look at me! I am different!" which seems to be what many of those who wear long hair glory in. They think they're oh-so "non-conformist," when they're really just conforming to a strictly regimented (just DIFFERENT) standard of conformity. TRUE non-conformity happens only in the MIND.
Q: Many women have very short hair, especially older ones. Do you think it makes them look like men, old, makes their butts look fatter? (I do), or actually better? Would you prefer girls to have long hair, or do you feel they are entitled to the option? Maybe you think everyone looks better with short hair? If so, why?
Women with short hair don't necessairly look like men, or fatter. In fact, if they have beautiful faces it highlights them. I do prefer long hair on women, and of COURSE everyone is entitled to their own opinions! I just find it alternately laughable and sad how posters on this board can deluded themselves with tortured rationalizations in a desperate attempt to convince themselves that most men don't REALLY like short hair, and secretly wish they could have long hair. This is total nonsense.
Q: In highschool I had BEAUTIFUL long golden blonde hair, hung past my shoulders under my football helmet. Our crewcut wearing coach actually talked me out of cutting it when the rest of the team shaved their heads! But, since then, I did shaved my head (more than once), had mohawks, buzzcuts, and as a working stiff I did the corporate Ken-Doll look for YEARS. So I've tried short hair several times. Have you ever had long hair? Would you ever want to give it a shot? Would your buddies turn their backs on you, backstab you or would they really even care?
A: I've had moderatley long hair (in the 60s). I didn't think much about it, but after I cut it I realized how much better short hair is. If I were to grow it long again, my friends wouldn't care a bit. They'd make jokes about it, just as they make jokes about my short or medium hair now. They like to joke, and so do I.
Thanks Doc, for engaging in some REAL conversation -- not just bashing me.
Thank you for your honest answers Chuck.
Obviously you have strong feelings on this subject. You are entitled to these feelings and I'm not going to pick apart your answers. I won't try to and change your mind, I don't believe I could anyway. I only ask that you extend the same courtesy to the people on this board and let us enjoy our long hair in peace for whatever reasons we have. That's what this country's all about, at least for me.
Take it easy
Doc
Hey Chuck,
"It's easier" BULL: Short hair needs frequent trimming by a
professional. It needs to be washed every day because it greases up
so fast. It needs oils and goops to keep from sticking up.
"It's looks better" BULL: There is not much that you can do with
short hair, so all short hair looks about the same.
"It's more masculine" BULL: The military needs to shave hair off
men to reduce their masculinity. In my eyes, there's nothing
more feminine than a buzz cut (unless there's offsetting facial
hair).
However, I have the decency not to access short hair sites and
criticize them.
Pete
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Congratulations! Do you have the decency to understand that people may have opinions that differ from yours?
Or do you echo this board's fascistic nature: Either tow the "party line" or be eliminated.
Don't bother answering. Your choice is obvious.
Sounds like you're the one that needs to answer that question.
Fascistic? My, my, that's a stretch. Especially since the "party line" amounts to following the rules in the FAQ. But I guess that's too much for some people to follow.
And it's not like you would listen anyway. Your choice is quite obvious.
And I also notice you didn't address any of the points Pete_J made. As a former short-hair, I can vouch for them. I needed a professional haircut once a month or my hair would look messy. I had to wash my hair a lot more than now to keep it from getting oily. I didn't get any compliments on my hair, compared with the regular compliments I get now. So, frankly I don't see the upsides for short hair that you claim there are.
You're right!
Short hair IS a horrible pain, and SO inconvenient.
That must be why MOST men have short hair. That makes sense, doesn't it?!?!
Chuck
So that's it. The argument to wear short hair is because most
men (at least in the present culture - this has varied back and forth
over the ages) wear short hair. Well, when I was in high school, I
had short hair for the same reason and was always envious of guys
who had the courage to let their hair grow long (this was
the late 50s to early 60s). I think you are now in the same state.
You are attracted to this board because you are envious of men with long hair, but don't yet have the courage to let it grow yourself.
Well I know you one day will overcome your fears and grow great
looking long hair. When you do, send the pics to Victor (or put
them on your own site) and we can all admire them!
Good luck!
Pete
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Fat chance.
I post on this board because I get a laugh out of the amazing rationalizations you all keep coming up with. It's amazing! You just can NOT accept that most men like short hair, and that this is NOT a sign of some deep-seated psychological problem or need.
I'm confused. Are you people all in on some joke to make me think that this is a serious debate?
Chuck, aren't there better things you could be doing with your time? If you need a cause, pick one with a little more bite than hair length.
Do your friends and family know that you spend hours online trying to get a small group of long hair enthusiasts to admit that most men have short hair? I'm sure they'd be proud of you.
tom
I agree with you (albeit a bit more politely): I don't personally
think that half the men out there would have longer hair if, all of
a sudden, they could- not without being in an alternate universe
where social norms and presumptions are different.
HOWEVER, the reality is that SOME men like short hair, and SOME
men don't. The problems arise when one group thinks their way is
the only good, proper, desireable way.
Yes, short hair is easier.
HOWEVER, all the rationalization in the world won't change the fact
that "it looks better" and "it's more masculine" are your own
opinions, not some kind of objective truth. Aesthetics are entirely
in the eye of the beholder. No one has to like someone else's
sense of aesthetics, only respect the fact that opinions will differ.
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The REAL and obvious reality is that MOST men like short hair, and some men don't.
I'm just trying to inject a glimmer of reality into the heavily rationalized posts on this board.
Is it really obvious? I think it is obvious that most men wear short hair, but it is hardly obvious that they like it. You would have to be a mind-reader or run a poll to determine that. Bear in mind also that hair-length preference is also cultural. There are cultures in which it would be unthinkable for a man to cut his hair. This is a situation in which the tables are turned. Does the fact that nearly everyone in these cultures has long hair mean that they prefer long hair? I don't think so.
If that is what you are trying to do, then simply do that. Such messages are welcome here.
Chuck, I agree that there are men out there who prefer short hair. I even agree that there are some men that look better with their hair short and the same goes for women. Being a woman, I for one look better with long hair (and this has even been supported by my friends, if we want to get into that area). I have whacked my hair off several times and my hair doesn't cooperate the way I want it to short. I have also preferred men with long hair. I think it accents their masculinity even more, like a lion if you will. But that's just me. My best friend likes her men with short hair, you know, like a Michael Keaton and George Clooney type of look.
I am not going to trudge into the territory of all men wishing they had short hair and vice versa. What I find sad is that society has not grown past this "pack" mentality and doing things out of a "personal" preference and a "socially-accepted" one. I'm of the belief that if you want short hair, then wear it short. If you want it long, then wear it long. What makes it so bad, Chuck, is that give it ten years or so, the "E" channel broadcasts that the fashion industry is setting the style as being long hair for men, that these same guys who were sporting the short look would grow it long, not because they like it (for I believe they have no personal opinion about it, but whatever will get them laid the quickest), but because that's what everyone else is doing. And women are no better. The major delusion in this world is the fact that you follow the pack and look like everyone else, you are better accepted. The illusion is that it will appear rightfully so as you get jobs, women or men, people accepting you. The reality is that you would have gotten the same stuff if a person finds out who they really are and just be themselves and do something far creative than trying to keep up with the times. I'm for whatever works well for me. Sorry, as a teenager, I tried to keep up with the pack and I just couldn't run fast enough and no one liked me any better. I've had more success making it up as I go along.
Chaeya
I agree with your comments.
However, do keep in mind that many men who wear long hair do so just because it's the OPPOSITE of what's considered "in" at the time.
This gives them a false sense that they're "different," which in their minds means superior.
ARE they superior? No. Real superiority comes from WITHIN.
Right on! Good point.
Chaeya
I don't mind your post in fact I think they are sort of interesting. But I think what everyone wants to know is what brought you here to begin with? I'm curiouse.
Chuck,
It seems to me it is difficult for any of us to make a blanket statement regarding how the majority of men (or women) feel about long hair. The only way to do this would be to take a survey, and that would require using accepted statistical methods to survey a sampling of the male (female) population. Unless someone wants to do that we can only use conjecture and our own beliefs and desires to guess what the majority would say.
There is no doubt that presently the prevalent style of hair on men is short. That has been true for most of this century. It is also true that if one looks at history, there have been times when the majority of men wore their hair long. Was that because of social pressure or because cutting hair was more difficult? Or was it because they preferred it that way? Who can say?
We are all creatures of our society and culture, and the tendency for human beings is to conform to the ³norms² of that society. Whenever anyone goes out of those bounds, they are considered a nonconformist. That doesn¹t necessarily make nonconforming wrong! We also live in a free society that was formed by nonconformists. Cultural changes come with a price to those who would promote the change!
I don¹t understand exactly why you would assume that those who post on this board are simply trying to justify their own viewpoint. The purpose of this site is for mutual support, encouragement, and shared knowledge on the maintenance and care of long hair. Naturally most of us who participate in this site will be biased towards long hair. What else would you expect?
Wouldn't it be true to say that masculinity is defined by society and social opinion? But to say that long hair looks less masculine shows ignorance of other obvious facts. How a man dresses, walks, talks, and acts also has much to do with masculinity. Our present society no longer seems to define femininity solely by long hair (hence so many more short haired women). The truth of the matter is that masculinity is something that comes from inside. It is part of you and not just an external appearance.
When one goes out in public you may see short haired women who might appear to look like men when viewed from the back (fortunately not always :-). Likewise, you occasionally might see a long haired man from the back that looks like a woman. However, I have also seen some very masculine looking long haired men and some very feminine looking short haired men.
Not all of us wear our hair long to defy society. For some of us it is just a preference, it is what we like. I certainly DO NOT wear my hair to stand out! I have worn some form of long hair for most of the 30 years of my adult life. If you don¹t like that, I¹m sorry, but that is what I like.
What about a person who has different color skin? Don¹t they deserve acceptance too? They have no choice when they are the victim of discrimination. Yet, there are those in our society who feel it is okay to set themselves more worthy because of their race. DISCRIMINATON IS WRONG ON ANY BASIS! I don¹t necessarily agree with those who live certain ³alternative² lifestyles, but, and perhaps it is because I am a Christian, I care and accept them because they are human beings. I may be part of a male long-haired minority but I can change my appearance if I felt I could not tolerate disapproval. However, a person of a different race has no choice.
I respect you for your views and preference for short hair. I believe it is your right as an American to wear your hair that way. But I also EXPECT acceptance in my right to wear my hair long. If there is anything that should come out of this thread of messages, it is that people should accept each other as fellow human beings and respect the differences. It would be a boring world if we were all alike!
Kent
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. You state "It seems to me it is difficult for any of us to make a blanket statement regarding how the majority of men (or women) feel about long hair," but then admit that "There is no doubt that presently the prevalent style of hair on men is short."
So what is it? Difficult, or no doubt?
I agree with your statements concerning discrimination -- but I find it EASY to make a blanket statement regarding how the majority of men feel about long hair -- they don't like it!
Just look around.
What I was trying to say is that unless someone makes a valid survey of men (or women) you cannot say that the majority of men dislike the idea of having long hair. I WILL AGREE with you that most men now wear their hair short. But that doesn't mean every one of those men would not like having long hair if they felt they could do it.
Example: At the end of 1992 I had short hair. I started growing it but cut it in August 1993 for a job interview. I began growing it again until March 1996 when I again cut my hair short (big mistake, it didn't help get me a different job). Each of those times my hair was short, I still wanted my hair long. Anyone seeing me on the street would not realize that.
The fact is there are probably four types of men (and some variations). One are the men who have no desire to have long hair. Another are those who would have long hair if they could or if it were the prevalent style. The third are those who would like to have long hair but are afraid to try. The fourth are those who have long hair. However, neither you nor I have any way of knowing for sure what percentage of men fit into each group unless we took a valid survey. IT ISN'T POSSIBLE ANY OTHER WAY TO MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT WITHOUT PROPER SURVEY TECHNIQUES.
That's your opinion. A majority don't like it? How do you know? A visual "survey" isn't enough to make such a statement. I'm certainly not going to say a certain percentage would like their hair short OR long. I haven't made a survey.
The bottom line is that it isn't really important how many men fit into each category, I should have the right to wear my hair long if I would like. That's all I and most of the men on this board are asking. I don't think anyone here cares if you want to wear your hair short. Go for it if that is what you like. Just give us the same courtesy that we would extend you.
I suppose you'll never tire of developing tortured explanations as to why men don't "really" like short hair, despite the fact that they wear their hair short.
You've come up with every reason under the sun why most men have short hair -- except for the most obvious one: they want to.
And as for extending you courtesy, feel free to wear your hair any damn way you please! Just don't project your rationalizations onto the huge majority of men who wear their hair short. We do it not because we're forced to, or pressured to -- but because we WANT to! One hardly needs a survey to figure THAT out. It's common sense.
No one forced opinions on anyone, Chudy. You clicked on this site by choice, too. I appreciate that you have a different style preference.
Remember, however, that the "huge majority of men" in this cyber-community wear, or support men, who wear their hair long. It seems that you're the one who wants to "project your rationalizations" onto a huge majority in this case.
Why don't you create a short hair site and open up a message board that criticizes long-haired men? Then you can post numerous messages under your plethora of aliases and have a grand ol' time!
There's no need to post your comments twice. I saw them the first time.
In case you didn't notice the time listed by this message, this one was posted first, and as far as posting two, I am confused.
I was offline by the time the second one was posted.
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No one forced opinions on anyone, Chudy. You clicked on this site by choice, too. I appreciate that you have a different style preference.
Remember, however, that the "huge majority of men" in this cyber-community wear, or support men, who wear their hair long. It seems that you're the one who wants to "project your rationalizations" onto a huge majority in this case.
Why don't you create a short hair site and open up a message board that criticizes long-haired men? Then you can post numerous messages under your plethora of aliases and have a grand ol' time!
There endless stream of misstatements and diseased logic here never cease to amuse me.
I said: "Don't project your rationalizations onto the huge majority of men who wear their hair short."
You said: "No one forced opinions on anyone, Chudy. You clicked on this site by choice, too."
Now explain to me how projecting your obtuse MOTIVES onto me is in any way like forcing your OPINION on me. Or, to put it another way, how can you compare saying "That guy over there secretly likes short hair" with FORCING me to HAVE long hair.
You can't.
Yet you did.
I think you mean "their" - (misspellings take away your credibility) Your incessant need to debate this issue will never cease to amuse me!
I'm truly sorry you feel forced to have long hair. Decidedly, that seems to be the reason you're on this site. It's a shame you can't civilly discuss these issues with the community of this board. Since you type in CAPITALS, it seems to me that you're annoyed and angered by what you're reading. There are millions of Internet sites to spend your time with? I must reiterate; why come here? You still haven't answered that question.
If there are any rationalizations being projected here, it certainly is NOT to the huge majority of men who wear their hair short. It is to those with an interest in long hair. We are not long hair evangelists here, we are a group of friends and acquaintances with a common interest.
Chuck,
You missed the point completely and it's not worth my time to comment any more. I'm sorry for you!
Why thank you for closing off the debate, Mr. Hitler!
So what makes YOU an authority on what most men like? You're a guy so naturally all guys would want what you want right? They would all drive the same car, wear the same clothes, watch the same sports, etc. Well, I hate to tell you pal but you don't know as much as you think, and this board is only ONE example of how IGNORANT and WRONG you are. Besides, I don't think the guy said "ALL" men, he said he "thought" about half would want long hair. I guess you need to learn how to read as well as THINK, huh? Maybe if you tempered you opinions with a less arrogance you wouldn't provoke such a reaction.
Of course, that's exactly what you want isn't it?
As far as what YOU think is more masculine and looks better, that's just and opinion. I think short-haired bare-faced men look like little boys, that's my opinon. So do you think pro-wrestlers and bikers look un-masculine? Gee, I love to watch you tell them that....
Your post is rife with more self-serving delusions and circular logic.
Obviously, men DO NOT all drive the same car.
Obviously, men DO NOT all wear the same clothes.
Obviously, men DO NOT all watch the same sports.
And, just as obviously, MOST MEN *DO* HAVE SHORT HAIR.
Perhaps in your next post you'll explain to me how the sky isn't REALLY blue, and how the sky secretly wishes it was red.
Actually, your logic sounds very circular. Most men wear short hair. Therefore, most men like short hair. How do we know this? Because they wear short hair. Very circular indeed. I drive a Chevy, but given a choice (and the money) I would drive a Porsche. I live in the Southeast US, but I'd much rather live in Hawaii. You can't necessarily infer from what someone has or does that that is what they would prefer, given the choice. Now, I should say that I wouldn't agree that most men would grow their hair if they could- I'm inclined to say that most will just do whatever happens to be fashionable at the time, as people have always done.
Perhaps, just for consistency's sake, you should put this in the same form as your earlier statement:
Obviously, men DO NOT all wear the same hairstyle.
Just out of curiosity, has anyone said that most men now do not have short hair? Most men do, at this time, have short hair. Otherwise, there wouldn't be much call for specialized boards such as this one. If that's your main point, it seems like your wasting your effort defending a strawman. If, on the other hand, your point is (as it seems to be) that short hair is superior to long, well, that's your opinion, but it's just that- an opinion, and arguing over it seems about as useful as arguing over whether Chevys or Fords are better, or blondes or brunettes, or anything else that is subject to personal taste. I am willing to respect your opinion, and your decision to wear your hair short- is it asking so much for you to respect mine, and that of the others of us who have freely chosen to grow long hair?
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Wow. It's taken this long, but you finally admitted it.
Of course, your admission was stuck in the middle of another tirade of self-serving rationalizations, but that's what I've come to expect here.
Please answer my question.
Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck...
Let's just pause for a moment and think a little more logically than we have been, shall we? What's the big "admission" about "Most men .. at this time, hav[ing] short hair"? No one denied that apparent fact; observations would tell us so. What you apparently have a hard time understanding is that what most men do for practical reasons - eg., job, keeping nasties at bay etc. - is *not* necessarily what most
men *want* to do for its own sake. It *may* be that most men want short hair, but remember, about 15 years ago, it seemed that most men and boys wanted hair somewhat longer than they wear it now. We do not appear to have done a survey to see what most men really want. It may also be that most men secretly want longer hair than they've got. I have not heard of a study that can confirm that point one way or the other. So, Dear Chuck, what we *do*, is not necessarily what we *want*
to do. Tamam?
OM
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why are we revisiting this whole discussion... i thought the inactivity had effectively killed the thread!
Just found this hyperboard. Sorry to jump into the discussion so late.
A Guy named "Chuck", discussing whether some men who have short hair secretly wish they had long hair, said:
Actually, Chuck, sometimes the sky is red. We call it a "sunset", and it sometimes have an enthralling and captivating effect on a woman. Long hair also can have this effect, so I guess your analogy is a good one!
Hello there,
I think hair is a matter of preference and my preference just happens to be long (shoulder-length and beyond) on both men and women. I do agree that I believe most men keep their hair short out of wanting to be accepted. What I find sad is that when I talk to mothers of little boys and they mention getting the little guy's hair cut with the same priority as going to the bank to deposit your pay check. My friend will go, "no, Chaeya, it has to be done today, its getting messy." Like one more day or a week is going to make a difference on the head of a 2 yr. old. My take is, if you want short hair, then go for it. But I just get disgusted when people deny their own wants and go after the "pack" rule in order to be accepted. Fortunately for me, I have found a wonderful man who enjoys hair as much as I do.
Keep the faith,
Chaeya
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Another self-serving rationalization.
Can't you people ADMIT that liking short hair is NOT a sign of psychosis or some improper psychological need?
The endless, tortured reasoning propagated here is laughable!
Chuck, what makes your observations different from mine? I don't care whether a guy wears his hair short or wears it long. I don't care whether I'm right or not about this. I don't need to create an establishment to do what I want to do in this world. I just do it. Besides, what do you care what the men on this board think? How is it going to affect your life if some guys here think that every man wants long hair? So what if they're wrong? If you didn't think you were right you wouldn't be here throwing an attack at these people every time they post. I mean, there's people in the world who think that everybody should be Christian or they're lost souls. Look around you, you have self-righteousness everywhere you go. Suburbanites who think their homogenized communities are the ideal place to raise a kid and live. You have executives of corporations who think they're somebody and everyone else is just staff material or lowlifes. I work for a law firm -- son, I have a bag of self-righteousness that is really outrageous.
Chuck, just like me, you are very persistent and have a lot of passion about you, so why not put it to good use and open your eyes to what is going on in this country. Don't you think its a problem when kids are bringing guns to school and blowing away their classmates? Don't you think its a problem that the system encourages you to get yourself immersed in debt and tries to lock you out of it just because you pay everything in cash? Don't you ever worry everytime the U.S. wants to barge in to force people to do the right thing that it will backfire on us? Every day I look at my daughter and the hell I may have when she starts school of dealing with bullies, the lies that are told in history class that I will have to clear up, teachers and administrations that don't care or are too scared to really act on behalf of the kids. Look at our government agencies and court systems of how whoever has the best lawyer wins and not who's guilty or not. Try sitting a day at family court in the hallways looking at two people fighting who both think they're right and all you can see is the little kid sitting in the middle just caring about keeping their family together. You see, I have a weight of things on my shoulder that some of it I feel totally powerless to go up against. I really don't care whether guys wear their hair short or long, wear a dress, girls whack their hair off. I'm here because I have long hair, my man has long hair and I just like it. I'm here with a few like minds. I really don't care if my observations about hair are right or not. I can't be right about everything. All I can do is the best that I can with what I have.
Be happy, short hair is in and you guys are the majority.
Peace to you,
Chaeya
Thanks for your comments, and thanks for agreeing that most men have short hair.
I assure you I have a full and complete life, and don't really care what people on this board think. I just get a laugh out of some of the twisted logic and self-serving rationalizations posted here, and delight in puncturing them.
"I just get a laugh out of some of the twisted logic and self-serving rationalizations posted here. . ."
Sounds like a "bank joke". Only the TELLER laughs.
You have "punctured" nothing. Deal with it. Get over it. Get on with your life.
chaeya
my compliments on a very diplomatic and intelligent response. your dose of civility is very refreshing in what seems to have degenerated into verbal warfare.
John, don't you ever use your CAPS key? According to everything posted/published on "Netiquette", typing either in all upper case or all lower case is considered bad form.
The poet was E.E. Cummings, and the singer is K.D. Lang. To insist on something different is simply pretentious.
thank you emily post.
i have heard that all caps is considered yelling and rude, but the all lower case thing is new to me. in any case, i don't think pointing out other peoples' breaches of etiquette is particularly good form.
as for pretentiousness; how about people who nominate themselves the net police and point out others' "infractions"?
Doc,
I agree with you. I'm leary of any individual who attempts to prescribe how others should live their lives. As a student of psychology, I feel that this is a strong indication that this person needs to take a look inside and fix whatever it is that is motivating them to control the actions of fellow human beings.
I have found the people on this board to be decent human beings for the most part. It is our responsibility to anyone holding such strong and narrow beliefs as the person you describe to respectfully disagree. To strongly and forcefully oppose someone with such strong beliefs only adds fuel to a fire that is likely inextinguishable.
Tony
I'm not trying to prescribe anything to anyone. I'm stating that most men like short hair.
The truth of this statement is obvious.
The insane degree of controversy this simple and demonstrably TRUE statement has generated is proof that many posters to this board are seriously out of touch with reality.
You may be one of them.
I am an ex-longhair.Ex, due to the fact I was loosing it.
Anyway, I currently shave my head. But I do truly appreciate men with gorgeous long hair.
I also like short buzzed clipped hair also.
But, there is something about a beautiful, well taken care of mane on a guy that drives me wild.
Kudos to all of you who have the guts and self-respect to go out there and grow it long and beautiful!
You are great! And have my respect!
I don't even understand what this point is about. Whoever wants
short hair is free to have short hair - where exactly does "should"
come in? Anyway, the individual you mention is a troll and trolls
should not be fed.
I wouldn't, but your mileage may vary.
I don't think it's possible to speculate on the subject in any
meaningful way. You can "count" (at least among the people that
you know) men who actually have long hair and men who say that
they would have long hair if they were not afraid of the reaction
of the people around them, but is we are talking about the men
who actually prefer to have short hair, it's not really possible to
speculate which ones prefer short hair because they are accustommed
to seeing a lot of other guys with short hair, and which ones
prefer short hair for some internal reason of their own.
This is just as impossible as a debate on "how many women would
still shave their legs if there is no pressure to do so".
Here in Helsinki long hair on men is very acceptable - anyone
can wear it except the guys who are currently in the army, and
it's not something that would prevent one from getting a job, etc.,
and there is a lot of men with long hair, but not half. It's
more like 20% of the men i see in the streets and 30% of the
men I know.
I think a little more than half the women I know prefer men with
long hair, but this is not a representative sample and most people
don't have a very strong preference. I know a couple of women with
a strong prefernce for short hair, 5 or 6 with a strong preference
for long hair and the rest are either "long is better, but not a
big deal"(most of them) or "short is better, but not a big deal".
No, but I think you are somewhat misguided in attempting to
guess what other people really want. Yes, there is a lot of
short-haired out there who want long hair but there is also a
lot of short-haired men who like short hair, and I don't think
that in the matters of personal preference such as hair it's
important to be the majority.
Grrr
I read recently that only 10% of women find long hair on men attractive. So there.
I think you're fairly accurate in your estimations, Doc. Speaking from
my sparse knowledge of social psychology, though, a good many men and women have changed their minds since the 1980's about long hair on men, and wanted change to symbolize the more "no-nonsense", "work smarter" economic attitude of the arduous '90's. Men's and boys' hair was longish for about 15 years and, like turning over in bed at night for relief, they now prefer short hair on men. From my readings and observations, though, a higher percentage of women than men really prefer neat long hair on men. I agree, however, that many men want to grow their hair long, but fear job and social repercussions for doing so. Confirmation of this would be to observe that lottery winner growing out his hair, and, hopefully for his sake, putting enough away - bonds, mutual funds, blue chips, an annuity - to ensure a steady ROI to support him.
OM
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