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God bless him and the inspiration he has been to others for growing their hair longer.
I know...I know, he sort of abused his hair
but from the things I've read on this board over the months and years...
HE WAS AN INSPIRATION to MANY guys for growing their hair LONG.
I am listening to his music right now on the radio--a nice tribute
marking the 1oth anniversary of his death.
Cobain & Nirvana... genius...
He's my inspiratiion. He's like my idol. I want my hair to look like his right before he died.
wait wait, didnt he destoy heavy metal, the people who long hair was made for?
Yes.....yes he did.
Or did he simply offer reprieve from cheesy over-produced bands that had 'big hair' simply because they were copying everyone else? Heavy metal is alive and well, but grunge was defined by Cobain and that's how we remember him now.
I don't care if he abused his hair really... It still looked so awesome on him... And he had long hair in a time that it would normally be looked down upon, so cheers to him.
Anyway... A shame that he had to pass... his next music was going to be beautiful, soft and touching acoustic music.... a true genius and an inspiration to so many... may he rest in peace.
"All in all is all we are."
Kurt Cobain, February 20th, 1967- April 5th, 1994
R.I.P.
But was it really suicide? A new book suggests otherwise.
If this works this will link to an article about it. If it doesn't just go to google and search on Kurt Kobain murder.
Anyone else heard about this?
I've heard and studied quite a bit on it. Definitely looks like a murder to me, although there is some evidence suggesting that it was suicide after all. I tend to think he was murdered, although it's sad either way. :(
kurt cobain killed himself. there is NO evidence to support otherwise. a drug addict like himself could have easily shot up the amount of heroin he did and scribble the last part of the suicide note and shoot himself in the head.
why? becuase he was a heroin addict. heroin addicts die. either they overdose, catch a desease through the use of shared needles, or kill themselves. There are hundreds of cases like cobain's. Many experts say that with someone with as high of a tolerence as he had to heroin that he could have easily killed himself after taking the dosage that he took. I saw somewhere a video of someone that took 100 times the "lethal dosage" of heroin and was balancing on one foot, among other things, and did not die.
El Duce is dead, he was a criminal, there is no reason to beleive him. Courtney love NEVER admited to anything. Kurt was going through a rough time, why would he jump a fence and escape from rehab when he could have just checked himself out and walked away? because he was not thinking clearly as he was going through heroin withdrawls. Why did he purchase a gun days before his death? Why did he attempt suicide less than a month prior in rome? (Yes, taking a bottle of over 50 Rohypnol pills--otherwise known as the date rape drug--is considered a suicide attempt.) Basically, man, the evidence for suicide far outweighs the evidence for murder.
You've stated no facts, and nothing that can't be refuted.
You're also wrong.
http://justiceforkurt.com
That's how vineswingman operates, he never bothers with facts or shows anything beyond his personal opinion...but he'll accuse you of all kinds of things, just watch.
Ya, he's a big talker for a boy with a buzzcut hanging out on a longhair board.
Amen to that, he originally was my sole inspiration to grow my hair long. My hair is well maintained and I receive many compliments.
In my opinion Kurt wasn't anything special.He wasn't a guitar god and he never made any song that was very good.He may have inspired some people to grow their hair and thats all the credit I'll give him.
First, I'd hardly consider Cobain a longhair. Not even close!
Secondly, his hair is a far cry from what I'd call nice, healthy, or anything related to that. It was a mess.
In addition, I met him twice, and he had absolutely the worst body odor I've ever smelled. I don't think he knew what a comb, a bar of soap, or a toothbrush were.
In closing, I'll say that Nirvana's music is as dumbed down and basic as you can possibly get. To prove this, I taught a fourth grade boy who had never so much as touched a guitar how to play a Nirvana song from start to finish in under four hours. Calling anything he did as "genius" is ridiculous.
I do not disagree with you that some of the songs are simple...
but sometimes 'simple' can also be elegant.
While some of his music (actually, Nirvana's) was not very good...
but there are also many pieces that just blow you away.
Name me one song by Nirvana that has any complex chord changes. Name me one song that I can't play by ear after one or two times listening to it.
From a musician's perspective, I can honestly say that every song they did was as basic and simple as you can possibly get. There's nothing creative or imaginative in anything they did.
Nirvana is music dumbed down to its lowest possible level.
When will people learn, the complexity of it all is not what makes music good. I have heard so many bands with amazing complexity and technicality, but that have a sound that sucks. Some of the best songs ever written are quite simple actually. It's not about how hard it is to play; it's about what sounds good.
And Nirvana sounded amazing.
I agree. Sometimes it's the 'simple' things that reash the Soul best.
The other day I was reading that when: "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was
played over the airwaves for the very first time, many
people called the radio station to ask what that song was.
Even Nirvana didn't know what a big hit it would become.
Sometimes genius doesn't know itself!
But perhaps the main reason Kurt & Nirvana touched so many hearts & emotions
in people, is because their music was that of the 'common' man.
Their music lives on, perhaps, because the 'struggle'
continues to be a part of everyone's lives.
Life and Death (and everything in between) are never easy.
That was in Kurt's words and in his voice...
The pain...the Struggle...
Life & Death...
Very true, I saw an interview with them and they said that when that song was released, all their friends started calling them saying "You know, your song is in the top 40." And they were just like, "Oh really?"
When Kurt Cobain died, many people felt like they lost a friend. It's interesting because, of course, most people didn't actually know him. I think the thing about it is that his music was so open and honest, he was like saying to the world, "This is me. This is who I am." So even if they didn't really actually know him personally, it sure felt like they did.
I think his followers--his fans--felt interconnected somehow...
like a family, so Cobain's death was like a death in the family
and more.
Nobody could ever quite fill those shoes of his.
Nope, those torn up Converse All-Stars will never be filled. :)
...musician since the age of 5 (or 2 if you include me swatting a pan on the ground as my first drum stick!), I've always known that good music doesn't have to be technically difficult. If that was this case, big band jazz and funk music would be the most popular genre of music! Being a rock musician (singer, drummer, guitarist), I'll be the first to admit that jazz drummers blow most rock drummers away...but I still enjoy rock more than jazz.
"I Won't Back Down" is probably one of the most simple songs to play, yet it is my favorite Tom Petty song. "Seek and Destroy" by Metallica is one of my favority songs by them, yet it is one of their most simple songs (same with Lepper Messiah). "Down on my Dark Side" by Suicidal Tendencies is easy to play but my favorite song of theirs. "Living After Midnight" by Judas Priest, and on and on.
Although I never really got into Nirvana, I must give them credit for being the band that I personally think were the forerunners for bringing alternative music into existence. In fact, Nirvana is probably responsible for the final fatal blow of 80's rock (which I love), marking a new era of music. As a musician, I can objectivley see the talent in many of these bands, even though I may not like them personally. Aerosmith is another for me...I can see their musical talent, but I just never got into them.
Haha, I am a bass player of several years and I can't even play the first few notes of some jazz songs!! That is certainly some complex stuff.
...funny! That's great that you took up the bass. That's my next instrument I'd like to learn! Nice to 'meet' another fellow musician...
Yep, it always is nice to "meet" people, heh heh. Anyway, if you already can play the guitar, then you've got a pretty decent start. You'll at least have an idea for the general feel of this sort of instrument, just there are a lot of different techniques for bass playing.
...have a good bass instructional book you'd recommend? I actually have had a bass guitar since last summer, but I've been so busy with law school and getting more advanced with the guitar, I haven't had the time to tackle learning it yet. I have had great success with the "Progressive" series instructional books and I did purchase that for the bass. If you know of any other books you'd recommend, let me know. :)
No actually, I have never really used a book to learn bass. I started out by teaching myself Green Day songs(Longview, nifty little bass line, pretty easy to play, was my first) and gradually just moved up from there. I also took lessons for a few months, which taught me some other techniques like slapping and popping. So unfortunately, I can not reccomend you and good books. Sorry.
Well, keep it up, there is a serious shortage of bass players out there.
I will, for sure, it pretty much guarantees a spot in most any band, thats for sure!
I have NEVER heard anyone else say "suicidal tendancies" before! I love that group!!! And, Seek and Destroy is one of my fav's by Metallica ... my fav being Whiplash, preceded by "bass solo, take one..." Judas Priest! We must be the same age! LOL
I'm into all sorts of music, as long as it's deep and hard. I've mostly stuck to metal, and "funk." But, Elton John had some very excellent music also. And ELO, Rush, Pink Floyd (but not their "mainstream" stuff)... anything that's heavy in sound and/or thought...
I never got into Nirvana. I just remember seeing the videos and wondering why they never showed his face. And wondering how they made it...
Of course, I never wondered about Pearl Jam. Now that was grunge at it's finest. And very deep. And Eddie Vedder is quite easy on the eyes...
Sherri has had too much to drink tonight. Must sign off now before I make a horse's butt of myself...again.
That's funny. I'm 31, so I grew up in the 80's. My favorite song by ELO is "So Serious", I don't know if you've heard that one? I really enjoyed 80's music. Sheesh, I just really enjoyed the 80's! As far as alternative music in the 90's, my favorite group is, or should I unfortunately say "was", Alice in Chains. For my vocals, Alice in Chains and Judas Priest are my biggest influences.
You know, it's funny because during the 80's, when I was a teenager, I was SOOOOO limited in my thinking, and stubborn! Not only with music, but with everything. As far as music, I SWORE I'd only be into rock and metal. Then, an amazing thing happened...I grew up!! Now I truly don't limit myself to such rigid thinking...with anything, and I also, years ago, finally realized that everyone should be respected for their opinion. Going through law school has really helped me think more objectively as well.
Now, I enjoy almost all types of music...everything from classical symphony to Slayer. I'd say the only two types of music I just can NOT get myself to enjoy are death metal (which I define as really really thrashy metal with a singer that has that super low voice where you can't understand a damn word) and rap.
So, how old are you? :)
I'm 36. The 80's were my teen years. I was always into a wide variety of music. I either really liked it, or really hated it. Never got into country at all. It actually gave me a headache, and still does to this very day???
I've heard most ELO, but the name doesn't ring a bell. But then there are many songs that I love but don't know the names.
Alice in Chains is good. I'm very into Pearl Jam and Incubus, and most metal. Don't appreciate the "growl metal" stuff either. I don't categorize that as death metal...I'd rather just file it in the trash can. hehehe
aero zeppelin
Can you tell me more about what it was like meeting him? I'd be interested to know.
He was very personable, nice, polite, and friendly. I really don't know what else to say.
Like, what sort of things did you guys talk about, if you don't mind me asking.
Nothing of great importance or meaning. We weren't discussing rocket science or anything. We just chatted about music, cars (he loved Volvos and Volkswagens, didn't like "muscle cars"), and just general minor chat.
That's pretty cool, how did you come by meeting him? And was this before or after "Nevermind"?
After "Nevermind". We're both musicians, and on two occasions just happened to be in the same place at the same time. Pure coincidence.
> In addition, I met him twice, and he had
> absolutely the worst body odor I've ever
> smelled. I don't think he knew what a comb,
> a bar of soap, or a toothbrush were.
I suspect his wife Courtney Love wasn't (and isn't) exactly the picture of good hygiene either. I've also read that actor Johnny Depp isn't too much into regular bathing too, and can smell quite ripe on the movie set-----perhaps that's another reason he fits so well into the lifestyle of his newly adopted home of France (the French are notorious for taking showers no more than once a week).
Also, isn't Brad Pitt known for being the same way?
No she wasn't, she was a heroin addict right next to him (was pregnant while doing it too...genius).
http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports/Heroin/Heroin.html
get your facts straight, she was accused by vanity fair magazine of doing heroin while preggers, but in fact, did not.
Hey, you're back to criticise me, eh? How's the buzzcut coming?
haha, see? You have no weight to your argument, so you have to hide behind your hair... Is that how you always go through life?
Let's see if you can back up what you say (I already know that you can't from your past posts).
First, you mentioned a Vanity Fair article. It would be good to find and present that article. Then, since you stated that it was factually incorrect, you should present the Vanity Fair retraction of that article for being incorrect. If you cannot because there was no retraction, then you need to send a letter to Vanity Fair either informing them of their mistake or criticising them for lacking in journalistic responsiblity. (Much more constructive than attacking me)
Then you are obligated to present a credible source to this particular story (not Courtney or a fanclub for her or Kurt that has a vested intrest in her good P.R.) that has factual information that this heroin addict was able to go cold turkey during her pregnancy. Did you know that her first acid trip was at age four? (That is from her biography written by Poppy Z. Brite)
My prediction is that you will not even bother to try (you never did in the past). If you follow your usual pattern you will resort to cheap shots and name calling.
On that note, you mentioned "hiding behind hair". What's that about? I don't hide behind hair, I grow it on my head. And yes, I do go through life with my hair on my head which is why I contribute to this board. Why do you hang out here with your buzzcut? You certainly aren't contributing to the longhair discussion by jumping on my posts and responding only to threads where you think you need to defend your musical idol.
Has any other celebrity other than Cobain ever been seen on so many occasions, in photographs or on stage, with his hair hanging over his eyes and face?
Yea, is music might not have been difficult on the technical side, but difficulty isn't everything. In fact, talking with my music teacher, she told me that these days, all people want to hear is simple melodies, not amazing complex music, people want easy going music, which they can enjoy, remember, and sing. So it proves that you dont have to be amazing on the guitar for people to enjoy your music! I agree that he was a breath of fresh air to the music industry at the time, and I respect him for that. He managed to bring grunge to the popular music industry, and now, grunge, metal, and rock are becoming ever more popular, thanks to bands like him.
He slightly inspired me to grow my hair out, and after seing his hair in 'Smells like teen Spirit', it proves the awkward stage can look pretty cool. Sad he died so early in his life, but his music is still inspirational stuff and with us forever.
Rock and metal were very popular long before Kurt ever started shooting heroin. His 2 chord music started a trend of copycats who think that playing simple repetitive phrases in order to appeal to the generally musically uneducated young public is the best and easiest way to play rock star without having needing to become talented musicians or be really great songwriters. If you know the difference you will notice that the Nirvana song structure formula is replicated by virtually every alternative band to a tee (their real legacy). Just because lots of people copy you doesn't make you a genius.
I might add that this only happened because somebody made the decision to promote these guys as the greatest new thing, and people bought it.
I see this all the time. What you are presented is what you think is all that is available and it must be good because it's what is being promoted by the big companies with lots of money.
A great example is the Asian guy (can't remember his name) who was booted off of American Idol and is now becoming a huge star and selling lots of records, etc. all because he is such a joke with bad dancing and bad singing (singing top 40 hits that everyone already knows). He is literally becoming a rock star because he is so untalented.
I know that what you like is fine for you to listen to but the comparisons of Kurt being a genius and other far more talented performers being "not what people want to listen to" is just too far from the mark not to say something.
I was at a show last night where Damage Plan was playing and the headliner was Hatebreed. Hatebreed has been playing a lot of shows but the more I see them the more I hate them due to the fact that they play such simplistic, repetitive, typical, low quality music. There were lots of people into it but I suspect that just about anyone who clicked on distortion, played songs that you could bob your head to at 90bpm and toured constantly so you saw them all the time would be liked just as much. I felt like I was watching pre-teens playing music (despite the typical tatoos, shaved heads and attitude), they also followed the Nirvana song structure in many of their songs. A much better band could bring much more energy to the stage (including musically) and that is what the crowds feed off of anyway.
I think that Rudy Schienker (Scorpians) put it best when in an interview he was asked about the "alternative" trend in music. He said that when Nirvana hit the scene kids who wanted to be rock stars saw they didn't have to practice for 20 years anymore like the guitar players from the 80's to make it big, their garage band now had a chance to get there with a lot less talent.
Personally I would prefer that the pilot of my plane knew how to fly well. If I were paying him I would demand it!
Then don't pay for a Nirvana cd, and let the rest of us enjoy it.
But since people keep needing to talk about it on the board then I will too.
Amen. Perfectly stated. thank you for saying what i couldn't put words too.
ok, i've had this Nirvana argument with many friends and I can see both sides of what people are trying to say and thought i'd throw in my two cents. ok the facts are there, Kurt Cobain, not the best guitarist, it's not too hard to see that. But i've taught people who have never picked up a guitar to play beatles songs too and people never rip on them for being simplistic. I more see the reason they were popular was as the "voice of a generation" so to speak. I know people may have said it a thousand times before but it holds water, the economy was down so people couldnt get jobs very easily and a lot of kids were just generaly pissed off. And who better to channel their angst than a street kid just like them who had a knack for writing songs that hit the nail right on the head of what the nationwide feeling was. the other original grundge bands, AIC,Soundgarden, Pearl Jam ect. had more talent than Nirvana but remained fairly underground until "smells like teen spirit" hit the radio.
and while they may have flawed what people's opinion of a good guitar player is and spawned dozens of sh*t knock offs they certainly had a lasting effect of pop culture which is why there is still so much hype about them today.
anyway thats just my opinoin.
wow man lol ive been waiting for this post, im 15 and i just started growing my hair about a year ago its past my earlobes just a tad bit and ive wanted the kurt cobainish hair the whole time i even bleached my hair but left in dark roots i wanna know though if he does anything to his hair or if its just over time that gives it that stringy moistured look cuz my hair is all curled at the end i wanna know if time will make mine look good and hopefully like kurts
Same here man!