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In my country, in the 13 century, most blond boys were favored if they had long hair. The reason is that most other blond kids were Goths(Croatians) and being mistaken for a Croat is very bad, so Serb boys grew it long to be known as Serbs and not mistaken for Croats.
Anyways, i am planning to join an army brigade in Serbia, one of a kind, that let's men have long hair, but a condition applies: you have to be the best soldier in the army to join that regiment, nicknamed the "The Tigers". I am currently living in Canada and it eats my heart away to see my ocuntry being destroyed while i cower in this peacful land.
Back to the hair. There was also a certain way to arrange your hair, but i don't know what it is called here.
We would make a pony tail at the top of the back of the head, the rest of the hair(in the back of the head) would fall back and cover your neck like a carpet.
I ahve a question. my hair in the front is coming to just under my lip when i strech it, how much longer does it have to be so i can tie it in a tail in the back of my head??(pony tail, but it is positioned higher that normal pony tails). How long does it take to grow 5 cm of hair?
People average 5 cm hair growth every 4 months... enough time for most of your front hair to reach a high ponytail. It'll take an additional 4-5 months for the hair to stay in the ponytail all day.
Lazar; In my country, The United States of America, long hair is a symbol of peace. Your part of the world has brought us too much war already. Stay in Canada. Grow your hair long. Wage peace.
Insanity = repeating the same behavior expecting different results.
Your people seem to be quite unsuccessful at war. The price has been high. There must be a better way. Don't be stupid. Stay in Canada. Grow your hair long. Wage peace.
In my country, The United States of America, we don't give a good God damn what your native nationality is. We intermingle, intermarry, interact, and we're the strongest military power in the world. We will kick your "tiger" butt. Stay in Canada. Grow your hair long. Wage peace.
While your hair is growing think of ways to make peace with your enemies. Dodging small, rapidly moving, metallic objects is much more difficult than smiling and asking to talk things over. Think about how large you are and how slowly you move. Stay in Canada, Grow your hair long. Wage peace.
In my country, The United States of America, we had a civil war 130 years ago. We got over it. If we, of so many mixed cultures, can get over it, you of so few cultures can too. Stay in Canada. Grow your hair long. Wage peace.
If you have never seen the carnage of war with your own eyes, if you have never seen the dead, heard the cries of the wounded, felt the gore on your flesh, smelled the stench of the dead, fall to your knees and offer a prayer of gratitude to your God. Stay in Canada. Grow your hair long. Wage peace.
Think how wonderful sex is and how much sex you'll miss by dying young in a "tiger" uniform. Don't let the last blood choked words you utter on this earth be "Mommy!." Stay in Canada. Grow your hair long. Wage peace.
Semper Fi
... we're the strongest military power in the world. We will kick your "tiger" butt. Stay in Canada. Grow your hair long. Wage peace.
I sense a certain air of arrogance there. If you love peace so much, where were you (and other peace-loving longhairs) when the United States was bombing the hell out of Yugoslavia?
Charles
Take a cloth tape measure (like you'd use to measure for clothing sizes) and measure from the top of the forehead to the bottom of your hairline. That will give you a pretty good estimate of how long you'll need your hair for a true ponytail that will stay put.
Currently, my hair averages 20.3 centimeters in length from my scalp, after about a year of growth from about four centimeters. I can keep the hair at the back of my head in a small ponytail, but my bangs and hair from the front is just brushed back. I often find myself re-combing my hair during the day to keep it brushed back, but this is necessary in the environments where I work.
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A week ago, Veteran's Day (in the U.S.A.) and Remembrance Day (Canada) was celebrated. I think the work of veterans is honorable. If you are able to wear your hair in a military organization, that is a great way to appreciate your efforts. I'm sure you didn't come to your decision lightly; it sounds like a deep and spiritual one, and I wish you luck in your endeavors. Just as we men decide to grow our hair against societal "norms," and we respect each other for these decisions, I think it's important to respect people for their life decisions.
You seem to utter wise words, i by all means do not want to get in politics, that is a subjects that the american people are not very good at grasping.
You would not fight for your country?
Do not worry for me, not one Tiger has been killed since WW2, including in our recent war with the world. The unit is more professional than any Ranger or Seal unit.
(rated in the top ten special forces units in the world, no1=French Foreign Legion, no75=Seals)
These rankings are based on the amount of time it too each unit to pass through a Jungle Course in French Guyana)
Long live long hairs and peacful pepole, consider yourself lucky there is no war in America
In my country, in the 13 century, most blond boys were favored if they had long hair. The reason is that most other blond kids were Goths(Croatians) and being mistaken for a Croat is very bad, so Serb boys grew it long to be known as Serbs and not mistaken for Croats.
If not one tiger has been killed since WWII, they are either not seeing action, or your government is filling young minds with ridiculous propaganda. "Come join our war, nobody dies!!!"
It makes you sound silly to compare the Tigers to Seals, seeing as you are neither. You are a refugee from a war torn country hiding out in Canada. Good for you!
Kilgore
Lazar,
I do understand your desire to fight for your country.
I have fought for my country. I have served in the armed forces. I have also fought for peace in my country. I have fought for racial harmony in my country.
The fight for peace and harmony between cultures after years of war is much more challenging than killing. Why add your blood to the blood of your ancestors? Rather find a way to peace so that your children do not have to die for their culture too.
Grow your hair long for peace. The lives of your unborn children and grandchildren are more precious than any chunk of earth.
Peace
Lazar,
The first question is easy. It takes about 4 months to grow 5 cm
of hair. So you have 4 months to think about it before you join
the Tigers (I presume your hair is the favored blond color).
By the way, I saw some pics of the news the other day where
Chechan freedom fighters have great-looking long braids and
beards (their color is mostly black of course). Same hair styles, different religion.
Meanwhile, please consider if it really makes sense if everyone
tried to get back the land and empire their ancesters had in the
13th century. The American Indians would send all the rest of
us back to Europe or Africa, England would reestablish itself in France and the Mongol hordes would once more conquer Asia and Eastern Europe.
Yugoslavia could have been a great country in Europe, as powerful as England, France, or Germany, if they could have stayed together and not bickered about what religion their ancesters had, etc. Of course the fault for the breakup is not Serb extremism alone, but also because of Moslem and Croat extremism. Perhaps one day all the extremists will be discredited and a united nation can once again be formed. Consider America where Protestants and Catholics, and people many other religions now live and work side by side dispite persecution in the past.
Anyway, all the best with your hair! Pete
Pete
Yugoslavia was a beautiful and united country once -- under Tito's communists -- until the western imperialist powers saw fit to support this or that nationalist or fascist faction which led to its breakup, fighting between ethnic factions and so on, with the intention of weakening Yugoslavia and gaining political influence in the Balkans and the rest of Eastern Europe.
Lazar has made a difficult descision and it will not be a bed of roses if the bombing should start again but he has made a brave discision, based upon his convictions -- a descision which not many Yugoslavs living abroad will make.
And all the best with your hair! Lazar
Charles
Huh? "Western imperialist powers?" Since when has Slobodan Milosevic been a "Western imperialist?" It was he who rose to power by playing on the ethnic, religious, and cultural divisions that were barely kept under the surface by Tito's secret police. As soon as the Communists fell from power the fascist thugs like Milosevic stepped in and took charge by finding convenient scapegoats to turn the Serbs against. Nothing like a little bigotry and hatred to bring people together eh! Just ask the Klan, the Nazi's, or the Cultural Revolution's Red Guard.
"Difficult decision?" Yeah, sure. If it is difficult to return to support a country ruled by a bunch of thugs who, aside from committing the worst atrocities seen in Europe for over half a century, have also hugely enriched themselves through corruption, smuggling and graft at the expense of the general population. Oh yeah, now there is idealism for you.
The sad thing is that there are too many Serbs like Lazar who will return home, try and fulfill their misguided sense of idealism and manhood only to wind up dead and buried in a cheap pine box. Either that or wind up mutilated with the rest of their lives in front of them to spend rotting in some hospital ward.
Then again, perhaps he will not be so unlucky and instead of being physically maimed will only be psychologically crippled. Thugs like Milosevic depend on having plenty of emotional cripples around to do thier dirty work. Some of them actually enjoy such dirty work (excuse me, I meant to say "ethnic cleansing") - particularly if it involves butchering as many women, children and elderly as possible.
I'll grant you that there are probably a goodly number of ethnic Serbs living abroad who can not bring themselves to believe that their countrymen could truly do such things. That their national leaders truly are the modern embodiment of Hitler, Stalin, Ceausescu and evil in general. Over time most of these people will realize this, accept it and work to heal the crimes done in their name. Some never will. Others will have to find out for themselves.
On a lighter note, and one more on topic, I find it hard to believe that any modern military unit would maintain such a hairstyle. Typically, the go to great lengths to see how SHORT they can wear their hair. In the US there are the Marines with their "High and Tight" buzzcuts and there are the US Army Rangers with their "Ranger Horseshoe" of "Landing Zone" cuts. Every elite professional military unit that I have ever heard of maintains the strictest appearance criteria and Longhair is NEVER part of their program.
I think, Lazar, that someone is trying to sell you a bill of goods and playing upon your preference for Longhair as well as your idealism and nationalism. In every case I think you are being lied to.
I hope you see through the lies before you do something you will spend the rest of your life regretting. Then again, if you are going to make a mistake, then it is better to do it while you are young. That way, you will have the rest of your life to try and make it right.
Madoc
Actually, this is not the case. The British armed forces have, if I recall, long had an exemption for long hair for certain of their troops (most notably the Sikhs, who have a distinguished record of service with the British). Also, Canada now permits long hair for those troops of Native American background. And although I have not verified it myself, I have heard that some of the European militaries have less strict rules than in the US.
MJ
MJ & all,
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Good points. The male Sikhs however, are rarely - if ever - seen in public with their hair down. The Brits allow that hair length on religious grounds and even that was sorely begrudged! As to European armies having different standards than the US, yes that is true. There was a time when the Belgian Army allowed its male troops to have their hair as long as they wished to grow it. They just had to put it up in a hairnet. I'm not sure if that is still their policy.
The regular military is not what I was referring to. With rare exception, the Sikh's being one that I did indeed forget, elite professional military units are all shorthairs. In most cases it is excessively so! That is pretty universal in all militaries.
Madoc
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Lazar wrote:
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This series of articles will perhaps explain why Lazar feels he has to return to joing the Tigers brigade.
Charles
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INTERVIEW OF FOREIGN MINISTER ZIVADIN JOVANOVIC
WITH THE AUSTRIAN NEWSPAPER "DER STANDARD"
Q: Mr. Minister, on the international side, Yugoslavia is still under the embargo, primarily under an oil embargo, which is very difficult for this country. How would you comment after all that has happened with NATO, on the international position of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. Also on the political aspect and the aspect of the embargo that continues to be in place against your country.
A: You see, those who bombarded and destroyed Yugoslavia are obviously not happy about the results achieved through the bombing campaign and aggression.
They have been trying in the last few months following the aggression to achieve their aims by other means, notably through a tightened trade embargo, information blockade, through a kind of information propaganda as well as through the efforts to destabilize the country from within.
These are their main methods. It is apparent that our policy, primarily that of the reconstruction and rebuilding of Yugoslavia and our record in that respect do not fit into this concept.
Dissemination of the truth about the crimes committed by them in Yugoslavia does not suit them. They do not like, either, that the lies they resorted to during the aggression to mislead their own and international public opinion about their alleged humanitarian goals, have been unmasked.
Just as they do not like that there has been a growing condemnation and reservation, including the taking of many initiatives in the United States, Germany, France, Italy and Britain demanding the responsibility of those who gave orders and who carried out the aggression against Yugoslavia.
As far as the Yugoslav policy is concerned, it has not changed in any respect. That is a policy which is, above all, independent both at an internal and international level.
That is a policy of rehabilitation and reconstruction, of the
economic development of the country, of removing the economic and
humanitarian consequences inflicted by NATO aggression, while at the
international level it is a policy of an open cooperation with all those countries and partners accepting Yugoslavia as a sovereign country, as a sovereign European country and an equal partner.
In this regard, you are aware that most members of the international community are in favour of cooperation and normal relations with the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.
Q: You said that some countries are making attempts at destabilizing
Yugoslavia from within, what do you specifically have in mind?
A: I primarily have in mind the NATO countries led by the United States, or more specifically the current US Administration which is trying to destabilize Yugoslavia in various ways.
I said that it is doing so in the media field. You know well that Yugoslavia is surrounded by the transmitters of Free Europe, Voice of America, BBC, Deutshe Welle and others. This is along the lines of the efforts to swamp Yugoslavia from all those frequencies which were used to broadcast programmes of CNN, VOA, etc. as well as from C-130 planes during the aggression.
In other words, there is an attitude of underestimating the political being and political education of the Serbian people, because supposedly the Serbian people does not know where its interests lie and that the United States and NATO countries are there to educate the Serbs through their media.
That is one aspect. The other is subversive activity organized in Szeged and Temisoara under the auspices of NATO and the United States, from where actions aimed at the destabilization of Yugoslavia are being launched.
A third aspect is investment of large resources from the United States and the European Union to finance the destabilizing forces inside Yugoslavia. This means that they are giving money to free trade unions, to independent unions, independent students, independent pensioners and all those who change their agenda and
subjects for discussion, instead of sticking to the agenda of
rehabilitation and reconstruction of the country, condemnation of NATO and NATO leaders for the aggression.
They are now trying to raise some non-existent issues like the issue of democracy in Yugoslavia, etc.
Who is to judge who are democrats and who are the democratic forces in Yugoslavia? Where does this yardstick originate from? Does it originate from Brussels, from NATO Headquarters? How has been the author of the yardstick for democrats and no-democrats in Yugoslavia?
Does DEPOS mean people and hasn't the people in Serbia elected the government that is now in power? So, what kind of democracy is that which ignores the will of the people and which relies on marginal things and marginal personalities who are only known for mostly justifying the NATO aggression or for siding with NATO aggressors
during their aggression against Yugoslavia, or who helped with the advice on what to bomb, how to do that, how long the bombing campaign should be sustained, etc.
Q: Why do you believe, Mr. Minister, that the EU and the United States
link the lifting of the embargo against Yugoslavia with your Government's resignation?
A: The Yugoslav Government, which represents the interests of the State and of its citizens, has thwarted NATO's concept because it resolutely pursues the policy of independence.
NATO, led by the US Administration, on the other hand, follows the concept of one unilateral system and does not recognize relations based on equality. NATO and the United States want submission, as can be seen from the examples of a number of States neighbouring Yugoslavia. They won't be able to do that to us.
Q: There are objections that the Government does not adhere to the
democratic principles?
A: Neither NATO nor the United States have the monopoly to interpret what is or is not a democracy. Those who bombed and devastated Yugoslavia now want to name the so-called democratic forces in Serbia, but they have in mind precisely those people who collaborated with NATO at the time of the aggression against our country.
Our government is under attack because NATO is dissatisfied with the results of its aggression and because Yugoslavia has remained sovereign. Now, it should be destabilized through a trade embargo.
Q: One of the EU requirements is cooperation between Yugoslavia and the Hague tribunal. What possibilities are there for cooperation, when
Yugoslavs, who are supposed to promote it, are wanted?
A: The Hague tribunal is the aggressor's mechanism to make the victim a perpetrator. The Tribunal is not seeking justice but trying to demonize the Serbs. It wishes to cover up thereby also the lies about Kosovo which were told to the world. It turned out that thousands of the dead in Kosovo, for whose death Serbs were found guilty beforehand, did not exist in the first place.
Q: Can it be inferred from this that Yugoslavia will not cooperate with the Hague tribunal?
A: Yugoslavia would wish to advise that everyone should respect the
existing international law, particularly the UN Charter as the highest law in the world. The Dayton Agreement makes no mention of the War Crimes Tribunal, but simply refers to the joint responsibility for the perpetrators to be held accountable.
Q: It seems that KFOR is not able to protect Serbs in Kosovo? Are there any possibilities for Yugoslavia to provide it?
A: So far, 250,000 Serbs have been expelled, 400 were killed,
approximately 600 were wounded and more than 60 Serbian churches and
monasteries have been demolished. On the other hand, several hundred
thousand Albanians without Yugoslav citizenship have entered Kosovo from Albania. Simply there is no political will to protect the non-Albanian population in Kosovo.
YUGOSLAVIA - RECONSTRUCTION
SERBIA MINISTER LAYS CORNER STONE OF NEW MEDICAL CENTRE IN ALEKSINAC
ALEKSINAC
November 15 (Tanjug) - Serbia Health Minister Leposava Milicevic on Monday laid the corner stone of a medical centre in Aleksinac,
which will be built to replace the one heavily damaged in NATO bombardments on April 5.
The new medical centre will have a total area of 2,000 sq.m.
"In the late 1990s, especially during the March-June aggression, we have had an opportunity to see what kind of a future the new world order has in store for us," Minister Milicevic told the assembled medical workers and local residents.
"The Serbia Government, the Reconstruction Directorate and all of us here reject the future they have reserved for us. We want alone to build our own future," Milicevic stressed, and said that the medical centre in Aleksinac was one more facility for the future of the people, a future as the people sees it.
The ceremony was attended by Army of Yugoslavia (VJ) Third Army Commander, Gen. Nebojsa Pavkovic, Director of the Reconstruction Directorate Milutin Mrkonjic, Serbia and Federal Deputies.
SLOVAKIA - YUGOSLAVIA - EXHIBITION ON NATO AGGRESSION
EXHIBITION OF PHOTOGRAPHS DEPICTING NATO AGGRESSION IN FOCUS OF ATTENTION BRATISLAVA.
November 15 (Tanjug) - Yugoslav Ambassador to Slovakia Veljko
Curcic has given an interview to the Slovenska Republika newspaper over an exhibition of photographs depicting effects of NATO's aggression on Yugoslavia, taking place in Bratislava.
Curcic said that the exhibition, which has elicited a strong response in the Slovak public and which included photographs of bridges, factories, hospitals, schools and other civilian facilities destroyed during NATO's March 24-June 10 aggression, was a testimony of what had really happened in Yugoslavia during the aggression.
Asked to comment on Yugoslavia's reconstruction following the aggression, Curcic said that the first reconstruction phase had already been completed.
He said that major land links and other infrastructure in the country,
including a large number of bridges, roads, power supply systems, power plants and other facilities had already been rebuilt as well as flats for those who had been left homeless by the NATO bombing.
KOSMET - RETURN OF SERBS
ETHNIC ALBANIANS CONTINUE PREVENTING RETURN OF SERBS
GNJILANE, November 15 (Tanjug) - The return of Serbian refugees to
Gnjilane is fiercely opposed by ethnic Albanians, ham radio operators
quoted the Church and Lay Council of Gnjilane as saying.
Serbian returnee Aleksandar Peric on Sunday reported that he had found his apartment taken over by the family of ethnic Albanian Abudlah Sasuvarija, who refused to move out, allegedly since they had nowhere else to go, the Council said.
Vera Stosic, another Serb returnee, found her apartment looted and
ethnic-Albanian colonists living in it. The same has happened to returnee Mileva Djordjevic.
UNMIK representatives in Gnjilane are taking no measures to help the
Serbian returnees move back into their homes, according to the Council.
KOSOVO-METOHIJA - KFOR
KFOR PREVENTS SERBIAN FACTORY, MINE EMPLOYEES FROM GETTING TO WORK
KOSOVSKA MITROVICA.
November 15 (Tanjug) - KFOR members on Monday prevented over 200 Serbian employees of two Trepca complex factories and the Stari Trg mine from getting to work, acting in keeping with the Sunday UNMIK decision to bar Serbs from the three working collectives.
Kosovska Mitrovica regional administrator Martin Garrod explained late on Sunday said that the decision was due to the inability of the international forces to guarantee the security of the Serbian workers in the three working collectives located in the southern part of Kosovska Mitrovica.
Despite the decision, over 200 Serbian workers took off on Monday morning for the car-battery factory, the zinc metallurgical plant and the Stari Trg mine, but were stopped by strong KFOR troops and barbed wire on the bridge which links the northern and southern sections of the town.
After much persuasion, the Serbian workers returned home.
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