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i was doing a search for men with long hair tonight and ive found some disrubing christian sites on long haired men ofcourse ive known people hold these beliefs (generally i find them to be nutcases) but the tought they may brainwash more generations to come distubs me i thought id share some links and a quote from on of em
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/5043/Shorthair.html
http://bz.llano.net/baptist/jesuslonghair.htm
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the last website has this quote
"Parents who allow a son to grow and wear long hair are contributing to a rebellion against God and against our country. This is a sure step in losing control of a child. Preachers and Churches who compromise on this subject, hoping to reach more young people are actually fighting against God. Let us stand, whatever the cost!"
i just like to see the members of this boards opinion on this subject christain or non christian
keep growin'
andrew
Im a chrisitian, and I just read that and they are just "twisting" the scripture to fit their beliefs.. not good..
i agree thank you for you feedback
I'm personally not what you would call religious. I do not attend services but I am what you would call spiritual I guess. I don't see myself as trying to fight god with growing my hair out. If he didn't want men growing their hair he should have stunted our hair growth so it would only grow so long then it would stop growing. So I think they need to chill out a bit and quit judging us long haired men by our outer appearance and look at what's on the inside that's what really counts. Here's my two cents worth.
Later,
Mark
yes your right but these people have this cookie cutter image stuck in their little closed minds so i supose the wont be chilling out anytime soon
One of the funniest 'reasons' for support of their argument is when they argue that the symbols of peace (the flower & the peace sign) are of negative origin, as if it would prove their point. I just get a kick out of that.
I have seen this site before. This is nothing but a bunch of posers who try and appear christian to force their own bigotry on other young men.
Preacher:IF YOU HAVE LONG HAIR YOU WILL GO TO HELL
Young Man: GIve me a break
Preacher: You are a traitor to this country commie scum
Young Man: Whoever said I was a communist.
Preacher: "repeats fire and brimstone speach"
Preacher: where is your parents
Preacher: there is something we need to talk of grave importance.
Parent's: What is it pastor
Preacher: I fear for your son's soul, he is going to hell if he doesn't cut his hair.
Preacher: Also you won't be accepted as part of the congregration unless your son adapts more conservative values.
Parent's: YOU ARE OUT OF THE HOUSE UNLESS YOU CUT YOUR HAIR.
Young Man: Fine I am leaving. I hate you, I don't ever want to see you again.
These type of people ruin families, cause strife. Which is very anti-christian. Jesus could care less if you have long hair, all kinds of peircings, or lots of tatoos. Jesus cares more about the appearence of your heart, than on your outward appearence you project to the world.
Andrew,
Can you please make an effort to use proper capitalization, paragraph breaks, and punctuation? That will make your posts much easier to read. Your style is OK for poetry, but it's not appropriate for a forum.
Thanks.
I appollogize for the gramatic errors. I will try to not make to same mistakes in future posts if I do feel free to correct me.
andrew
p.s. I posted this topic rather quickly and that is the reason it is full of errors.
One of the greatest sadnesses of our world is that many religions, which should be preaching love, tolerance and mutual respect, instead get bogged down in pointless dogma.
What St Paul said in Corinthians is open to many interpretations, both as to what he actually meant, and whether he meant it in a contemporary context or to apply for evermore. My replies to anyone who tries to tell me I can't be 'saved' if I have long hair are:
1) What about Samson?
2) Which of the ten commandments (which according to the Bible 'contain all the law') am I breaking by having long hair?
Taking that point further, if I am being myself by having long hair, then I am being truthful. If I had short hair, I would not be being truthful, which is against all Christian teaching.
Here are people who misquote the Bible (just like the devil did), ignore its context (just like the devil did), load heavy burdens on their fellows( like the Pharisees of old), and still call themselves Christian.
They forget that the Bible says "Man looks on the outward appearance, God looks on the heart" (1 Sam. 16:7). They forget that Jesus says "Do not judge by appearances, but make a right judgement" (John 7:23). And by majoring on the minors they earn for themselves the same condemnation that the Lord pronounced on the Pharisees of old: "Woe to you!!"
i say this has nothing at all to do with religion. religion is supposed to help you to reach god, and i don't see how doing short-hair-propaghanda does that.
so i would just reply to ANY religious argument involving something so, hmm, "down-to-earth", by "should you not be praying instead of raising debates about OTHERS' hair?"... but... that same argument goes for looking around for people hating long hair :)
i think believing strongly in something, but having nothing to stand on except quotes from holy books, means you should keep that opinion for yourself until you get a case. before you write it down on the internet.
-vincent
This last one seems to be some 80-odd year old from a conservative part of Texas just abusing his position to put forward his redactuonary views - doubtless he damands a good collection every week.
Unfortunatley the world will always be littered with such ignorant fanatics.
Grow it and be proud - a 'Good God' if such exist is not going to be troubled by outward signs - that is why he or she is a 'a GOOD God.
I say whatever. People are always gonna find something to try and make an issue with you. I'm a hardcore Jesus person, I'm also one of the music leaders in my church. What are they gonna say? It's just hair. They got over the fact that I changed my hair color every month. They thought they were safe when I stopped coloring and my natural color came back. But hey, they'll work out the long hair thing too. There's just too much horror going on in the world to be worried about something as petty as hair. And that's my two cent's(actually it was probly four but who's counting ;)
I think they are crazy, but then I'm not a Christian anyway. All they can point to is St Paul in Corinthians, and he was a Roman, so he would have had short hair. Of course, I don't beleive that everything he said was the word of God, just something said by a fallible human being.
I'm sure many Christians don't beleive that everything in the bible is the word of God either. How could it be, when the books were selected by committee for inclusion or for the big heave-ho? That's why this kind of thing is only spouted by fundamentalists, as they do beleive that tenet.
I'm an atheist. They can complain all they want, it falls upon deaf ears.
That type of thing is typical evangelist/ pentecostal/ neo-protestant behaviour of the type common is the USA, that basically has nothing to do with Christianity. It is religious hairsplitting and denotes very insecure behaviour in general.
Find yourself some pictures of Orthodox monks and you will see long hair and long beards. IMO, each Orthodox monk in the world is worth 100 of these fanatic, insecure, American splinter-christians who wrote that stuff you posted...
Next time you see one, make sure you tell them that:)
I am an Anglican priest who is growing his hair out. My 15 year old son has hair down to the bottom of his shoulder blades and I have always defended his right to wear his hair they way he wants to. The length of a person's hair is simply not a moral issue. Fundamentalist Christians are simply modern day Pharisees who want to see all Christians follow everything in the OT to the letter, which, of course, non of us do. Many of them eat pork--which is prohibited. Many of them wear clothes made of a blend of fabrics--which is prohibited, etc. etc. Mountains out of mole-hills! Grow your hair just they way you want it; God will love you no matter how you wear it!
Pastor Dave
Thank you for you comments its nice to see a Pastor reply, i agree with you fully. btw good luck growing you hair out!
Andrew,
I am a Christian and sing Bass in a Southern Gospel Quartet...we sing at all types of churches...our lead singer has hair down past his shoulders and wears and earring. I am growing mine out now that I retired from the Army (see the latest post). Some churches that we have been in make him take the earring out before we sing...one of the Independent Baptist Churches preached on girls looking like girls and boys looking like boys...Most churches are not judgmental...some are hypocritical...If one's hair was causing them to sin, then yes, cut it off...if not, do not let it bother you about some variant denominations! I hope this helps!
"Bass"-ically,
Terry (Bassdiesel)
Thank you for the post. I personally would like to thank you for your service in the amy, off topic but i see your hair is comming along nicely. About those flips theira huge pain but, since you have straight hair it wont last as long as mine have i have sort of wavy hair (lucky you).
thanks again
andrew
Andrew, I think you would find the following article interesting.
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/clergy_hair.aspx
Pastor Dave
Thank you Pastor Dave for you link suggestion and yes I did find the link intesting. It was nice and unbiast with refrences not the norm when it comes to sites on this subject.
Just for fun, turn it around and see how you feel. "Parents who allow a son to cut and wear short hair are contributing to a rebellion against God and against our country. This is a sure step in losing control of a child. Preachers and Churches who compromise on this subject, hoping to reach more young people are actually fighting against God. Let us stand, whatever the cost!"
The reaction to this can indicate what part you feel is unjust about the original. My changes are supportive of long hair. Does that make the reversed situation just fine and the long hair ban wrong only because it is against something you like? Perhaps instead my revision caused an equal sense of disturbance. Then it might be the absence of respect for an individual's preferences that is bothersome, or maybe the inequality of gender based rules. Just some things to consider.
My own take on the "long hair on a male is evil" issue is that there is nothing wrong with a belief system having rules such as this. However, it becomes rudeness when outsiders are also expected to conform and poor parenting when a child is browbeaten for refusing to comply. While we may wish that people critically examine the attitudes their spiritual guides convey, they don't have to.
Something also to consider is that there is a big difference between compliance out of fear of some said or unsaid punishment and compliance as a chosen sign of respect and deference. I find it reasonable if a parent requested that their child keep hair short as a tradition or an outward symbol of subservience to their god.
Elizabeth
